Multiple keystrokes from PT mini-joystick

[Bluenose69]

Hi folks,

Revvin' - great website. Long overdue and desperatley needed. Your efforts are appreciated!

I am trying to program my Pro Throttle mini joystick to issue wingman commands in IL2:FB. The problem is that it will only allow one keystroke when in Up/Down mode and Position mode won't do the trick either. I am wondering if anyone knows a way to issue multiple keystrokes from an axis using the CMS scripts? For example, to tell the wingman to attack fighters in IL2:FB the key sequence is "TAB 1 3". So when I push forward on the mini joystick I want it to issue TAB 1 3.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Bluenose

[MichaelCHProd]

How many "commands" do you want on it? If you are looking for four different commands then you can do this...

SCRIPT

CMS.B1 = [JS2.A1 > 220];
CMS.B2 = [JS2.A1 < 30];
CMS.B3 = [JS2.A2 > 220];
CMS.B4 = [JS2.A2 < 30};

ENDSCRIPT


Then you go up in the GUI and program CMS.B1 through B4 to be whatever you like. :thumbsup:

[Bluenose69]

Micheal,

Worked like a charm! Thanks for your help.

I love rumours so how's the graphical print utility coming along?

Thanks,

Bluenose

PS. I'll post my IL2:FB CM map file in the props forum shortly

[MichaelCHProd]

Last time I checked we were going like gang busters. I think we have some art to finish up but I think the code is well on it's way to Beta.

[SlapShot]

Originally posted by MichaelCHProd@Mar 9 2004, 09:44 PM
How many "commands" do you want on it? If you are looking for four different commands then you can do this...

SCRIPT

CMS.B1 = [JS2.A1 > 220];
CMS.B2 = [JS2.A1 < 30];
CMS.B3 = [JS2.A2 > 220];
CMS.B4 = [JS2.A2 < 30};

ENDSCRIPT


Then you go up in the GUI and program CMS.B1 through B4 to be whatever you like. :thumbsup:
Hey Michael ...

I have seen many examples as you have described above using the < and > operators, but I have yet to find anywhere in the help, the described range of each of these buttons/controls and in what direction the numbers originate.

Did I miss something in the help .. can you point me to where these are documented ?

Thanks ... Slappy

[Bob Church]

It's in the help somewhere, but....

All of the actual axes and the axes that come from the Control Manager devices deliver a range of values that runs from 0 to 255 with 128 at center if it's a centered axis. That range will be limited at output, if you try to pass an axis value of 1000 to js1.x1 for example, it will go out as 255. Internally, the calculations are 32-bit integers so the values can run to the millions, but for actually controlling something in Windows, the 0..255 range is the maximum.

As for direction, the stick is "0" at full left or full forward, "255" at full right or full back. Other axes like the throttle are "0" at full forward (max throttle) and "255" at full back (min throttle). Run the calibration applet with the CM in Direct Mode and watch the Raw Data display over on the right. You can see which way they go by moving things around in there.

- Bob

The StickWorks
http://www.stickworks.com

[Richard]

Hi everyone,


I am somewhat new to this whole experience. Recently I purchased the CHProPedals, HOTAS, Fighterstick ( all USB ) , trackir2 and the games LOMAC and IL-2. I would like to take full advantage of these products by using their full potential.

Could someone tell me where I can find a manual to teach me how to do multiple programming. Unfortunately I am not very computer literate so the more 'layman' the better, however I am willing to learn. For example, in the game LOMAC; I would like all the buttons to be related to 'flight mode' while I am just flying from waypoint to waypoint. When in flight and come across an enemy airtruder I would then like for all the buttons to be related to air-air combat with a press of a button. Same thing for air-ground. When I am done press the button and all the controls are once related to 'flight mode' again. I would like to do this for all aircraft in the game.
The goal is to avoid using the keyboard as much as possible. Is this goal even possible?

I'd appreciate any assistance from anyone.

[MichaelCHProd]

You could program the buttons on your controllers to emulate the default keystrokes in the game by using a LOMAC (http://www.ch-hangar.com/forum/index.php?showforum=18)(or IL-2 (http://www.ch-hangar.com/forum/index.php?showforum=17) depending on which game you are working on at the moment) CMC file from the CMC Files Section (http://www.ch-hangar.com/forum/index.php?c=6)here at the Hangar. To see how to enable a CMC file check THIS (http://www.ch-hangar.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=238) thread and to see how to use a CMC file check out THIS (http://www.ch-hangar.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=175) thread (fourth post down).

Now to enable a seperate "Flight", "Air to Air", and "Air to Ground" mode. you would simply need to use the controllers mode capability. Load a map (either a BASE (http://www.ch-hangar.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=193) map or one built for the game in question) and then select your mode control device.

ftp://ftp.chproducts.com/pub/Postings/CM_Mode_Control.jpg

ftp://ftp.chproducts.com/pub/Postings/CM_Mode_Control_3.jpg

[Richard]

I appreciate your response. I am trying to figure out the step by step process.
Am I suppose to enable the CMC file first?, I went to the thread as you requested where it showed how to enable the base map. I went to the control manager, clicked the LOAD button and I get the small window but it is empty. I'm a little confused.

Is it possible you could give me a step by step process.

[Richard]

I don't know why I am having such a hard time with this. Normally I can figure most things out. Thanks for any help.

[MichaelCHProd]

Did you download a Map/Profile from here? You have to start with a map and then enable the CMC. Then you get into the programming.

Think of it like MS Word. You have to open(Load ftp://ftp.chproducts.com/pub/Postings/CM_Load.jpg) the document(Map/Profile) you want to change.

Once you open the document you are going to make your corrections (program the controllers and use the CMC file to make your life easy).

Then you will print(Download ftp://ftp.chproducts.com/pub/Postings/CM_Download.jpg) it out for your friends.

[Richard]

I have not downloaded a map/profile, I guess that is step #1.

I assume the following; click on Profile Downloads on the main page,
click on jet sim profiles,

On this page I see 4 topics I assume are related to the game.

The first one titled; LOMAC Map
Throttle+stick+pedals+trackir2+rw
by Sigma, Jan 19/2004.

2) Lock-On Profile CSPTPP by Revvin Jan 17/2004
3) Lock-On Profile FSPTPP by Revvin Jan 17/2004
4) LOMAC CHProducts Fighterstick,throttle,pedals by Sigma Jan
09/2004.

Since I use the fighterstick, and I have pedals,hotas,trackir2, the second one does not apply. This leaves option 1,3,4. Have I been right so far and if so which option do you recommend. What then would be the next few steps.

Thank you

[MichaelCHProd]

Any of those (1, 3, or 4) will be just fine. I have not used any of them but Revvin does good work.

[Richard]

I've just noticed the section ' Base Profiles'. Is there any difference those profiles and the ones I mentionned above from the jet sim profiles? Is one better than the other, or just different?

[MichaelCHProd]

Base Profiles are just that... a base to build on. They have the controllers combined in the most universally acceptable manner. The buttons are blank for the most part. Look at Base Profiles as a blank canvas waiting for you to paint.

The other profiles are ones that someone has taken the time and written for a specific set of controls in a specific game. You can change them to suit your needs with little or no hassle.

There is no clear "better" map.

[Richard]

I've decided to download LOMAC Map by Sigma dated Jan 19/2004 in the jet sims topic. I've saved it to my 'Documents', I'm not sure what to do next. Do I access my 'documents', right click and send it somewhere?

[MichaelCHProd]

Unzip the contents of the file you downloaded to...

C:\Program Files\CH Products\Control Manager\Maps

[Richard]

How do I do that.

[Richard]

Never mind, I just figured it out.

[MichaelCHProd]

How are you doing?

[Richard]

Not to bad so far. I have also downloaded and unzipped one of your folders from 'Base Profiles', Fighterstick with Pro throttle and pro pedals dated Feb 17/2004.

When I click the 'load' button in the control manager window both files are present.

Now I would like to know what I am dealing with, I would like to start with your folder from the Base Profiles section.

How does this all fit together?

How do the 3 lights on the fighterstick and throttle come into play?

I somewhat understand the theoretical relationship between the hardware and the computer in the Direct Mode. Whereas windows creates a virtual replica of each hardware and there is a one on one relationship between the two. In the mapped mode windows instead creates a 'cmd1', 'cmd2' and so on.

Can I create as many 'cmd' devices per hardware?

Remember what my goal was, to transfer as much control as possible away from the keyboard. Ex) When I am flying from waypoint to waypoint all the controls are related to just that , flight. If I were to engage an enemy air bandit, I would be able to switch the controls to air-air combat, same for air-ground.

In the meanwhile I am going to do some experimenting. Iam sure it is not difficult once I have gone through it and is probably self-explanatory in some areas.

[MichaelCHProd]

The three lights are hard-coded to their respective devices and represent the mode the controllers (as a whole) are in.

What I mean by that is if you have the Pro Throttle set to be "Mode Control" then the lights on the Pro Throttle will show you which mode the controllers are in.
Green = Mode 1
Red = Mode 2
Yellow = Mode 3

The lights on the Fighterstick will not change with the modes as the Pro Throttle is the "Mode Control” this does not mean the Fighterstick is not changing modes simply that it's LED's will not show the mode only the "Mode Control" controller will.

Now if you press Button 3 on the Fighterstick while it is not the "Mode Control" you will see the lights change (hard-coded) but the Fighterstick IS NOT changing the modes.

The same is true in reverse if the Fighterstick is set to be the "Mode Control" then the lights on it will be indicative if all of the controllers modes and the lights on the Pro Throttle will NOT indicate what mode the controllers are in. If you press button 1 on the Pro Throttle it will change the lights but IT WILL NOT change the modes of the controls as the Fighterstick is set to be the "Mode Control".

You can create as many Control Manager Devices as you like (up to 16 of course) but that is not what you want. You want three modes not three Control Manager Devices.

Modes can be changed on the fly in game. Devices are a bit trickier in most games.

Program mode 1 to be basic flight, mode 2 to be Air to Air, and mode 3 to be Air to Air. That way you can switch back and forth depending on the current situation and priority.

This will give you 228 button positions. That is taking into account you don't program an axis to send keystrokes, you only use four of the directions on the two 8 WAY HATs, you set one button to be the SHIFT FUNCTION (and nothing but), you set one button to be "Mode Control" (and nothing else), and you don't script ANYTHING. I am sure that will get you most of the way to your "no keyboard" goal. At the very least you will spend a lot of time trying to remember all of the buttons. B)

[Richard]

Since my last post I have been reading and taking notes from the users guide. There also seems to be another option that allows me to have 4 modes. This requires CMS programming.

I agree, I would not want 16 devices, for that is a little overboard.

I think at the end I will just simply choose the 3 mode version as that is all I truly need.

I have already chosen the button on my fighterstick to be the switch between modes. Tomorrow I will continue reading and try to unclear my confusion right now of the 'shift' button and what that implies.

[MichaelCHProd]

Sub modes NOT the "shift" keys on your keyboard.

Kind of like a momentary mode. While you hold down the "Shift Function" button all the other buttons do something totally different.

[Richard]

Having spent some time planning I now have all the buttons mapped out for the 3 modes on paper. Mode 1) Flight;
Mode 2) Air-air
Mode 3) Air/ground,

How do I actually map these buttons to the 'commands'?

Do I have to set the options to default in the game?

Do I have to set the hardware axis in the control manager, how is that accomplished?

Can I set the 'centre view' of my trackir2 to my joystick? Specifically the POV hat Up. How could this be accomplished.

[Richard]

I think I just figured out how to assign functions to my hardware. Iwas able to do everything in Mode 1 however when I press Mode 2 I am unable to do any programming. In the program setting I have selected my joystick for the mode selector.

In mode 1 I would uncheck the DirectX window which allows me to do the programming, The option to uncheck the DirectX box in Mode 2 is not present. What are your recommendations.

[Richard]

I have forgotten to mention above that I seem to be unable to program the 'red' buttons on my joystick ( buttons 1,2,3,4 ). Is there a reason for this, how can I change that?

[Richard]

I just did something unintentional. I clicked the 'Mapped Mode' on the toolbar and followed the instructions of installing my hardware as control manager devices. In options/input/ drop down menu it now says control device 1,2,3 instead of fighterstick,hotas,rudder pedals. Now the buttons I have programmed long ago ( not the programming I am currently doing ) have no effect.

How can I fix this please.

[Richard]

You'll have to excuse my latest posts (7:37 PM, 9:22 PM, and 9:29 PM). I was able to figure some of those items out.

My 9:48 PM post still stands however.

Some of my other questions still stand:


1)Can I set the POV button (up) to center my view on the trackir2? How do I do that.


2) Should the options in LOMAC be set to default?

3) Once I am done programming what buttons do I click to activate my hardware for the game.?

[Richard]

I have entered all the commands on all 3 modes for my devices. I try to 'download' it but I get a window stating:


Unrecognized character or keyword:CTLh-Download cancelled.

I have selected button 2 on my joystick as CTLh ( change HUD colors ) on all 3 modes.

I have set fighterstick button 3 as the mode selector.

Am I to assign the hotas as CMDevice#2, rudder pedals as CMDevice#3?

I chose not to check the SHIFT box.

This is what I have done:

Program Settings: chose fighterstick as mode selector,

fighterstick; uncheck DirectX box, type in command (CTLh) in the normal action window. At bottom typed in what it does.

I would then continue with the rest.

I have nothing in the 'shift' window.

[Bob Church]

You need a space between "CTL" and "h", e.g. "CTL h" and not "CTLh".

- Bob

The StickWorks
http://www.stickworks.com

[Richard]

I was able to rectify the CTLh problem.

I have encountered another issue. I programmed all the buttons and saved them. I downloaded each device ( where the computer asked me to place the install disk for the process). I looked into the options of the game and instead of saying fighterstick,hotas and rudder pedals it says CMDevice 1,2,3. The issue is I cannot 'roll' my aircraft. I can pitch up and down. The hotas works and so do the rudder pedals. The buttons also work except for button 2 of the joystick.

Is there some step by step procedure I was suppose to undergo. I am willing to reverse the entire downloading process by restoring my system to a previous date and start over.

Also is the control window to be used in similar to the trackir2 window. Whereas you start the window, set it up, minimize it then start the game.

I am also to set the options at default.

[MichaelCHProd]

Once you map your controllers in the Control Manager it is going to tell Windows you have unplugged the Fighterstick, Pro Throttle, and Pro Pedals and that you have plugged in these new coll devices that are called Control Manager Device 1, 2, 3, etc. This is the way you want it, so you are on track.

Axis assignments to get your roll back are easy enough to fix, but you do it in game. What was the game again?

The Control Manager does not need to be left open in the background. Once you download your contollers go ahead and close it before you go play your game.

[Richard]

Things started to get real weird so I restored my computer to an earlier date and it seemed to have corrected the problem.

Right now I am at the step where I have programmed all my buttons and saved them. Where I was last night.

I clicked on the test/calibration button and seems like everything is working.

Am I suppose to download each item?

Am I suppose to do this before everytime I run the game? Or just do it once.

If any adjustments are to be made, do I do it in the game or in the control manager?

Thanks

[MichaelCHProd]

You should have a map that has all three devices in it. When you donwload that map you are done downloading.

You will need to download the map before you run the game in question each time. If you only play one game then you can look into CHStart to make this easy on you.

Buttons = the Control Manager
AXis = Usually in game, if not then the Control Manager.

[Richard]

Currently it is only LOMAC.

Could you please direct me to Chstart. Is that button on the toolbar?

Also;

Can I program the center view (F12)of my trackir2 onto my hardware? How is that done.

Can I program the wheel brake onto my rudder pedals? How is that also done.

[Richard]

I am encountering a problem.

There is only one download button on the toolbar.

I click this button and the following happens:

I get a 'wizard' window telling me to put in the install disk that came with the hardware.

I place the disk and click next and it installs Control Device 1.

Small window then appears saying download successful.

I click on the test/calibrate window and it only says Control Device 1.

I proceed to the other hardware devices and click 'download', figuring I have to do this for each item. No wizard window appears. Small window then appears saying download successful.

Small window appears on the bottom right of the screen saying it had found new hardware.

I go to test/calibrate window and it still says Control Device 1.

My 2 other devices are not being downloaded.

What am I doing wrong.

[MichaelCHProd]

How many devices are in your map?


Better yet post your map.


To program a button there a number of different ways and this one while long will ensure it is done right and the syntax is correct for even complex keystrokes. This method can be used to program ANY button with almost any keystroke(s).....

Load your map and then select the button to program (in this case Button Six of my Combatstick). You may select you button by simply pressing the button on the actual stick or by clicking on the image of the button on screen in your map.

Then left click the check mark in the "Direct X Mode" check box...
ftp://ftp.chproducts.com/pub/Postings/Program_a_Button.jpg


It will now be removed and you are ready to start your programming...
ftp://ftp.chproducts.com/pub/Postings/Program_a_Button2.jpg


Right click in the appropriate box under "Programmed Function". In this case we want the button on the joystick to send the F12 key whenever we press the button on the stick so we select "Press" under "Normal Action". When the drop down menu appears select "Record Keystrokes" and left click it with your mouse...
ftp://ftp.chproducts.com/pub/Postings/Program_a_Button3.jpg


A new Window will appear called the "Keystroke Recorder"...
ftp://ftp.chproducts.com/pub/Postings/Program_a_Button4.jpg


Simply press the key (or series of keys) on your keyboard you want this button to be and then click on the "Exit" button. In this case "F12"...
ftp://ftp.chproducts.com/pub/Postings/Program_a_Button5.jpg


You will now see the key programmed on your map...
ftp://ftp.chproducts.com/pub/Postings/Program_a_Button6.jpg


Done. Now save it and move on to another button.

[Richard]

I have done it a little differently. I'll briefly tell you from the beginning:

1) I downloaded a base profile, then downloaded a cmc profile (REvvin);

2)Opened the control manager window, loaded the base map;

3)Opened program settings window, clicked fighterstick as mode selector, immediately tabs for mode 2 @3 opened up.

4)window beneath it I clicked in the cmc file from revvin.

5)Fighterstick would be the first, clicked on the first button which is the trigger, unchecked the directx box, at the normal action window I would right click at the 'press' window. The same window that you have above opens. click the 'insert command' , a small window from revvins cmc file opens, I'd scroll the window and click on the command I wanted. clicked OK and the command would then be inserted. The press window would not say F12 like you have above. It would actually say the command.

6)I proceeded with all 3 devices for all 3 modes.

That is all I've done in the programming section, just programmed the buttons, no calibrating on any of the 3 devices.



6) never used a keystroke window, all my commands are written on paper.

[MichaelCHProd]

You are using a CMC file to program default commands from the game in question. If however there is a command that is NOT a default command like your TrackIR "F12" then you will have to add it manually and the instructions above are the ones to go by.

If you have used a BASE map then the controls are mapped to one device and will not show up as seperate controllers after you download the map.

[Richard]

I think we are talking about 2 different things here, the main problem I have is the downloading of my devices after I have programmed the buttons. I am only getting CMDevice #1. The other 2 are not getting downloaded.

I used your base profile from the base profile section, titled Fighterstick; Fighterstick with pro throttle and pro pedals dated Feb 17 2002 10:43 PM. Is that the correct profile?

I have CHProducts; Fighterstick, Pro pedals and Rudder pedals.

[MichaelCHProd]

No we are on the same sheet of paper you just seem to be missing what I am saying. The BASE maps have the devices combined. This means they are set as ONE DEVICE and will show as CH Control Manager Device 1 AND NOTHING ELSE. You press on download and then it merges the controllers into ONE device.

This is not bad or wrong, just the way the BASE maps are built. This is what the base maps were setup for, to aid the use of multiple controllers in older games that support only ONE controller.

This DOES NOT MEAN that you can only use one of your three controllers it simply means that the map has taken the most common axis/buttons from each of the THREE controllers and combined them into ONE controller.

If you are using one of the BASE maps from this site it will have the Aileron and Elevator axis on the Fighterstick, the Throttle axis on the Pro Throttle, and the Rudder axis on the Pro Pedals. The Throttle wheel on the Fighterstick is turned off as are the toe brakes on the Pro Pedals. The mini joystick on the Pro Throttle would have been programmed to emulate the mouse.

Are you tracking now?

[Richard]

So what do you recommend? With 20 buttons each on the fighterstick and hotas and 3 modes, I was going for 40 buttons on Nav, 40 for air/air and 40 for air/ground. How do I get all 3 devices (the programmed buttons) to be downloaded? I do not want a merge of the common buttons on the 3 devices onto 1 device.

[MichaelCHProd]

If you program the buttons with the CMC they are going to work even if you turned off all the axis. Windows thinks they are coming from a keyboard and not your controllers.

Program the buttons to whatever you want in as many modes as you like with the CMC file it WILL NOT be effected by a map with combined controllers.

Don't expect to see buttons 1-40 for each controller and mode to show up in Game Controllers or Test Calibrate in the Control Manager. Once you program a button to act like a keystroke (which is what the CMC file does just like the manual method I showed you above) they are gone. Windows does not think they are "buttons" it thinks they are "keyboard keys".

So even if you program 218 different commands into the controllers buttons with the CMC file Windows will never see them in Game Controllers. And you will never see them in the Test/Calibrate screen in the Control Manager.

Look at it this way are you able to test the keys on your keyboard in Game Controllers in Windows? If you go into the Windows Control Panel and open Game Controllers does it list your keyboard? The buttons you programmed to act as keystrokes (thats all a CMC file does) are NO DIFFERENT.

I promise you are making your life much harder than it needs to be.

[Richard]

You are probably right that I am making this alot harder than it is and will kick myself once it is all done.

I just want to know how, step by step, to go from having programmed the buttons to playing the game.

In options for LOMAC, am I suppose to see only 1 CMDevice?

I am going to do some experimenting now.

I do appreciate the help you have given so far.

[Richard]

The buttons is not the issue here.


It is the downloading. I find the users guide to be vague on what to do in this area.


All I want to do right now is dowload, and how.

[Richard]

What the hell call ***-***-****

[MichaelCHProd]

If you are still using the BASE map yes.

Here is what your LOMAC Options should look like if you are using the BASE map...
ftp://ftp.chproducts.com/pub/Postings/LOMAC_Settings.jpg

[MichaelCHProd]

Brother do you have ICQ? AIM? MSN Messenger? TeamSpeak? Ventrillo?

[Richard]

Everything works but for one thing. The plane does not pitch up and down. In options the pitch is set to Axis1.

[MichaelCHProd]

Ok then it is the axis in the map. Can you post the map for me to look at? When you post you will see a"File Attachments" box with a "Browse" button next to it. It should be above the "Add Reply" button when you are typing a reply.

[Richard]

Sorry, I do not know how to post the map. I'll try to figure it out.

[Richard]

I think I got it

[MichaelCHProd]

Good Job. B)

You had both the X and Y axis on your stick turned off for some reason.

Now just download this zip and unzip it to ....

C:\Program Files\CH Products\Control Manager\Maps

Just like you did with all of the other stuff you pulled from the Hangar

[MichaelCHProd]

WEEEEE 500 POSTS

[Richard]

OK, I've done it.

[MichaelCHProd]

So you are all fixed right?

[Richard]

I did everything you said. It won't download, a window appears saying unrecognized character-download cancelled.

[MichaelCHProd]

Open the map and see if the CMC file is still selected?

Then check to make sure the commands are still in the CMC file by trying to program a button you have already done again to the same command.

[MichaelCHProd]

I just checked and I sent you a blank CMC that must have been generated when I saved your MAP that referenced it. Donwload the LOMAC CMC from the CMC section here at the hangar and put it in the Maps folder and you should be ok.

[Richard]

Ok I'm a little lost here now. Probably because it it 1 in the morning here.

There are 3 LOMAC CMC files in the section. 2 by you and 1 by Revvin. Which one. Am I to re-program everything now?

[MichaelCHProd]

Revvin's and you do not need to reprogram everything just download his CMC into the Maps folder and then your map shoul download.

I am on the West coast as well just not in Canada.

[Richard]

I cannot remember ( must be more tired than I thought), I right click it and then what.

[MichaelCHProd]

Save Target As.... Lock_On.cmc

Save As Type....All Files

[Richard]

OK, it is done, what now? run the game?

[MichaelCHProd]

If that is not going well I re-posted your map with a good CMC file in it. here and above.

[Richard]

I just briefly ran the game and it seems to be working well right now.

I truly appreciate your help, I am real bushed right now, tomorrow morning I will take it for a full test. Ill post the results tomorrow.

Good night and thanks again.

[MichaelCHProd]

Way to go brother. I'll check in tomorrow sometime. B)

[Richard]

MichaelCHProd,


I've just completed the inital testing and it looks very promising.

All that remains now is some fine tuning. I've programmed , quite easily, one of the buttons on my joystick to center my trackir2 view.

All I have now is 2 very simple questions:


1) Can I assign wheel brakes to my toe brakes of my rudder pedals?

2) My joystick is just a wee little bit sensitive for my taste, when I pull back the stick the plane moves just a little to much. Is the modification done at the Control Manager?


Could you please tell me how to do both items. I think I have some idea on how to do item #2 but your input would be appreciated.

On the another note, I have all 3 IL2 games @ LOMAC. What other combat flight sims do you recommend. I hear a bit about Falcon 4.0, how is that game and any others?

Thanks for all your help, much appreciated. :thumbsup:

[Richard]

I am going to try to download 2 pictures, joystick and hotas diagrams where you can write down the commands right by the buttons. Helpful when there are a lot of commands to remember.

[Richard]

Here is the second diagram,

[MichaelCHProd]

You can adjust the gain on the Y axis in the Control Manager for #2. For #1 I would have to go into LOMAC to check if it has a left an right brake command. It will not be analog it will be a button that you will program to the toe brake axis.

I will get back to you later today. I am going to the range now to try my new pistol. See you later.

[Richard]

How was it at the range? How was your grouping?

I'm an ex-infantry platoon commander and if there is one thing I miss the most and that is spending countless days of firing at the ranges, at the governments expense. :thumbsup:

I miss firing all kinds of weapons, from the 9mm pistol to the 84mm Carl Gustav anti-tank rocket ( I think it's 84mm, it has been a while ). 2 of my instructors were the top 5 NATO snipers at the time.

[MichaelCHProd]

Ok sorry I am late :drunk:

Where were we?

Are you still stuck on the two issues listed above?

[Richard]

I had a disaster. My computer was infected by a virus (blaster I think). :( Anyhow I had to wipe everything out and re-install all my hardware. I have to redo my control manager as I did not back it up.

[MichaelCHProd]

Sorry Brother :( . Let me know when you are ready to go again B)

[Richard]

I have re-programmed the buutons just like before.

I almost have it but I have a couple of glitches I hope you can help me out.

1) I am having problems controlling my plane. No control in thrust on my hotas. Samre with rudder pedals. I can pitch up and down and roll, but it is not very pretty. Can you help me here.

2) In options is it suppose to say Control Manager Devide 1
Control Manager Device 2
Control Manager Device 3

I appreciate your help

[Richard]

Here is my map for you to look at

[Richard]

I know I've had this problem before but I could not recall how to fix this. I looked at the past notes between us but it did not seem to help very much.

Isaw in one of your posts that in options in LOMAC, it is suppose to have only 1 Control Manager device. Currently in my options it has CMDevices 1,2,3.
In control manager window, in test/calibrate it says fighterstick, pro throttle, pedals. Is that also correct.

I can't believe I am back here again.

[MichaelCHProd]

In my screen shot I had combined the controllers. Your map and description is that of seperate controllers. Neither is the "correct" choice they are personal preference. All you need to do is assign your axis in LOMAC.

Using your map you should set the axis for Control Manager Device 1 to...
ftp://ftp.chproducts.com/pub/Postings/LOMAC-CM1.jpg

Pitch = AXIS 1
Roll = AXIS 0

Still using your map the axis for Control Manager Device 2 should be...
ftp://ftp.chproducts.com/pub/Postings/LOMAC-CM2.jpg

Thrust = AXIS 2


Lastly for Control Manager Device 3...
ftp://ftp.chproducts.com/pub/Postings/LOMAC-CM3.jpg

Rudder = AXIS 2

[Richard]

It gave me control in thrust, rudder and roll.

But the pitch up and down is somewhat unresponsive.

Any advice please.

[MichaelCHProd]

You are using the map you sent me right?

Your axis setup looks just like the ones above, right?

[Richard]

Yes to both questions.

However I think the performance is improving. Weird as it may seem, every time I fly the response improves, as if it is shaking the cobwebs out of the system.

I'll let you know how it goes.

[MichaelCHProd]

That is really weird. Did you change any of the "Responses"?

[Richard]

I did not touch anything else in LOMAC options. I set the roll, pitch, thrust,, to the axis you provided.

Are you referring to responses in LOMAC options or in Control Manager.

[Richard]

I hope I was successful in sending my map for you to look at.

[MichaelCHProd]

That looks like the same map as above. Have you tried this in any other game?

[Richard]

NO, just in LOMAC.

I really don't know what else to tell you.

I flew a mission just a little while ago and it was working perfectly well. I was even able to do an air refueling exercise in the F-15. In the next mission, air-air combat with an F-4, it did not work very well.

It's as if it comes and goes. ;)

I've also noticed something unusual I found before I had the bug: the mini-joystick on my hotas had some control over the up and down pitch of my plane. I'd pull the stick to climb and it would not work, so I would press the mini-stick down and the plane would climb, and vice versa. Sounds somewhat unusual but do you think this has something to do with this one little dilemma.

Thanks for your help and time..

[Richard]

Hey Michael, please refer to uor previous posts in this section.

On page 4 March 27 8:05 am,,,,,till about your post at 9:18 am.

Do you think a solution could be found in there somewhere.

I was having the same problem, the difference was back then I'd only have 1 CMDevice listed in LOMAC options instead of 3 right now.

How about just replacing my current map with the ones posted then?

What do you think.

[MichaelCHProd]

you need to make sure that the axis on the Pro Throttle mini joystick are not still assigned to the Pitch or Roll. That could very well be the issue at hand.

[Richard]

How can I look into it, and if that is the case how do I change it.

[MichaelCHProd]

I have moved on to the new thread you started. B)

.....but in answer to your question as long as your setup screens look exactly like the ones above then your Pro Throttle axis are ok.