CH XP Boot utility for gameport controllers

[Revvin]

PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING BEFORE DOWNLOADING

This program is designed to support CH Fighter Stick and Pro Throttle in Windows XP. Users must supply one 3.5" Standard 1.44mb Floppy Disk for Installation. After installation completes, reboot your computer and follow on screen instructions. This Program is in beta form and not directly supported by CH. For any questions, concerns, contact the author 'BLAZERBRUCE'

For more information on this project you can also read this (http://www.ch-hangar.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=209) thread.

Downloaders must be aware that this program is used at your own risk

CHFIXDS.exe (1.7mb) (http://www.ch-hangar.com/files/Community_Projects/CHXPBOOT/CHFIXDS.exe)

[Revvin]

Due to a problem with the older topic I had to delete it, here's Blazerbruce's reply in the old topic:



This Boot disk I made is designed for those who dont have the abilty, or just dont want a dual boot system like running windows 98. What I made was a bootdisk that doesn't physically change your operating system. The disk works as follows....
1. When your computer boots up it will search for operating system files on your floppy drives, cd-roms etc....

2. I used a Dos 6.22 boot image the computer detects, and then loades MSDOS.sys into your convential random access memory. (not perminate)

3. When the bootdisk finishes loading, CHsetup can run with out any errors, because the port programming protection is disabled (cant run if Windows XP isnt on, lol) .

4. After you finish loading your keys in your F-16 FighterStick, Pro Throttle. Exit Chsetup and reboot your computer with out the bootdisk. Because all information is stored in your joystick, Windows XP will have no clue that you had been "writting" to a device. There is no harmful effects from doing this. The beauty of a boot disk, is operating system files are not stored in the computer after you reboot. If all your games / programs run in XP, you will be able to remove windows 98. Make sure the bootdisk works ok on your computer because some computers by default dont check floopy disks anymore for operating system files.

If anyone is using there pro throttle without an F-16 FighterStick, dont worry, I am going to release a boot disk for pro-throttle users.
[/b]

[BLAZERBRUCE]

Important Notice: Windows XP x64 Editon does NOT support gameport controllers :whip: ....... Except with a little help


Hi Everyone,

The new Boot Disk in this forum will support the follwing programmable devices:
CH F-16 Fighter Stick, CH Pro Throttle, and the original CH Throttle. If anyone has any questions I will do my best to answer and do so as quick as possible.

-Bruce

[strider]

Bruce:

In your post you say users will need a standard 3.5 1.44 MB disk to download the files but, the dl file is 1.7MB. Is this a mistake or should I dl to my HD first and then pare out a file or two?
Thanks

[BLAZERBRUCE]

strider,

The file needs to be copied to your harddrive. The file is this big because it contains an "image" and all the CH files. This program will make more then one disk if you have more then one of these devices to program. Example would be: FighterStick on disk one, throttle on disk 2 and so on. When you run the installation, it wont even use the full capacity of the 3.5 diskette. This will allow you to have room to store your configuration files you make for later use.

-Bruce

[BLAZERBRUCE]

strider,

Also forgot to let you know that once you copy the file to the harddrive, all you have to do is "double click it" and it will run. I made it run as a self extractor with options and detailed instructions. If the install program doesnt pop up after winrar SFX finishes, just goto the CHFIXDS directiory on your hardrive winrar SFX made and run the install program in the folder. There is also a FAQ text file for quick reference.

-Bruce

[fatchance]

Wow! I am truly amazed and grateful for your efforts. I am also glad I didn't sell off my old CH Hotas when I bought the new USB stuff.

One question. I own the [Janes]CH CombatStick. Will your program work with this stick?


Thanks again. :cheers:

[BLAZERBRUCE]

fatchance,

You do not need to use the bootdisk for the CombatStick, but you will for the throttle. To get the combatstick in XP download this file..

ftp://ftp.chproducts.com/pub/chanlg08.exe

This will get the Combatstick to work like a charm, use the bootdisk to program the throttle.

Enjoy,

Bruce :D

[gvo]

Well, it works!!!! Perfect, but the only thing that doens't work, is the actual throttle itself. All the buttons are working, but the throttle is not. I guess it's somewhere in the setup, I did something wrong. Any tips???

Regards
GVO

[BLAZERBRUCE]

gvo,

Try unistalling all the software drivers from CH in windows XP then re-install. Also, what all products from CH are you using? Some MotherBoards need the Legacy support to be turned on for the gameport to funstion properly.


- Bruce

[gvo]

Hello Blazerbruce and thanks for the reply

I'm using the Pro Throttle and nothing else from CH. I'm using a Logitech Wingman Attack as my joystick.
But I'm sure I just can't figure out, how to setup the throttle slider in the program you made the boot disc for. I mean all the buttons are working fine!?!
What are your settings in the program for the throttle slider??

Thx
GVO

[BLAZERBRUCE]

GVO,

The CH throttle is has a hard wire axis, which means it uses the "B"'s y-axis on your gameport. You cannot program the slider motion of the Throttle. The CH throttle was designed to use the BY-Axis pin on the gameport which is normaly used by a throttle wheel on a joystick, or another complete joystick device. I dont believe the use of another joystick brand will cause this problem because the Throttle splices and blocks any output from another device using the B Y-axis. Because the throttle transmits macro 's through the keyboard port, your gameport could have troubles and not affect button performance. Sounds to me your gameport isnt supporting 2 joysticks for some reason. I suggest trying to run the throttle in stand alone..


Here is a test to see if your computer isnt recongnising 2 devices...

Remove any devices installed on the gameport menu in windows.
Setup a standard 2 axis 2 button joystick. Run the calibration program to see if the computer can detect your Throttle. If it doesnt work, consult your computer manufacture, or motherboard manufacture on how to enable "A" and "B" gameport devices on your computer and if "legacy" support is available. You need to purchase a gameport card for your computer, but the computer manufacture should be able to help you your trouble.

-Bruce

[gvo]

It is this one:
link to joystick (http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/support/products/details/US/EN,CRID=1786,contentid=5301)
Or at least as close as I can get. The one I have is just the "Wingman Attack" and not the Wingman Attack 2 as linked to above.

I just tried to remove the joystick and try to connect only the throttle and it couldn't find it, like it wasn't connected. I tried to search on Creative's site (I'm using the gameport on a SB Live! VE sound card, and I found this:

The Creative gameport will support either a 2-axis 4-button joystick or a 2-axis 2-button joystick. You will require a splitter cable if you wish to hook up a second joystick. If your joystick is not responding try the following :


Again, I really appreciate your help! I really want to use my new throttle.

Regards
GVO

[BLAZERBRUCE]

gvo,

I dont think a spliter will do much for you because you need 3 axises. I suggest looking for a gameport controller card. I will post a link if I can find some online for you.

-Bruce

[gvo]

Do you think, that a gameport card would do the trick?? In that case, I will buy one ASAP. Actually I had one at home, and I knew it was old, but it turned out to be really old, since I couldn't install it in my computer :-)

Regards
GVO

[gvo]

Btw, I was thinking, isn't it strange that my computer won't even recognize the throttle when it's connected to it and nothing else like a joystick??

Regards
GVO

[BLAZERBRUCE]

The gameport you are using doesnt use the BX BY pins on the gameport. Your pro throttle uses the BY pin. Finding a gameport card would work. Also, in another section you mentioned about using a USB adapter. The adapter would have to accept 4-axis support and may not function properly, I have never used one. Another option is to buy a cheap audio card that supports 4-axis. Places like Microcenter carry cheap audio cards, and maybe a refurbed Soundblaster card with full 4-axis support would be the best option.


-Bruce

[gvo]

Hello there

Okay, so I'll go and buy a gameport card and I guess ask them if it's supports 4-axis!? I really hope that'll work. I'll buy that and unplug my normal keyboard and use a normal 104 instead. But even though my gameport doesn't support 4-axis, shouldn't it be able to "see" my throttle??
I really appreciate the help I get here.

Thx
GVO

[BLAZERBRUCE]

If the gameport on the sound card only supports 2 axis, then the output pin on the throttle will not function. After hearing that the joystick works when connected to the throttle leads me to to believe that the pins on the gameport for by, bx, dont exist. Do you hava a digital camera? If you do, I can take a look at the soundcard to determine if the joystick has B-axis support. I am confident judging by what has been posted on here that the soundcard really wasnt designed for anything but a simple, single, 2 axis joystick. Because the throttle sends all the keys through the keyboard port, the gameport can be not functioning and you would only loose the throttle axis.


-Bruce

[BLAZERBRUCE]

If you buy through a local retailer or online for a gameport card or another soundcard, I suggest checking with the manufacture 1st to make sure you arent buying another 2-axis card. Most salesmen at the computer stores probally wont know if the cards support 4-axis.

-Bruce

[gvo]

Hmm, that didn't work. I bought an old soundcard with a gameport that should have 4-axis, connected a 104 keyboard, but nothing happened :(
I can't see that damn throttle anywhere.
But then again, I can't be sure that it supports 4-axis. Perhaps it's only 3-axis, because before when I should install a new game controller, then you get a list of joysticks, including some 2-axis etc. But now I can see some 3-axis among those and I'm sure they wasn't there before I installed the "new" sound card.
And when you ask in stores, they don't know if the card supports 4-axis!

/GVO

EDIT: I just saw your second post, and you're right. They don't know.
And I don't even have a digital camera. But can I tell you some specs. that'll give you the same information??

[BLAZERBRUCE]

qoute..I can see some 3-axis among those and I'm sure they wasn't there before I installed the "new" sound card..... qoute


You should be getting closer to getting your throttle to work. soundcards are only available in 2 and 4 axis. When everything is connected you only use a total of three. Try running a 3 axis 4 button joystick in windows and run the calibration screen, let me know what shows up on the screen.

-Bruce

[gvo]

I tried that and it just says that there's nothing connected!?!

[BLAZERBRUCE]

Nothing connected when you have the joystick and throttle hooked up? Does it work when you are running the joystick alone on the new sound card? What brand soundcard are you using? what Computer brand and model are you running? If it is homebuilt, what mother board and also what version wondows are you using?


-Bruce

[gvo]

Oh my, I think perhaps it's working!!! I closed down the computer, connected my joystick into the throttle and started again. And this time (because of the joystick) I could add a 3-axis, 4 button joystick!!! And when I go into properties, the throttle thingy to the right, does work!!! Well it goes from half way and to the top, but I guess that's just a matter of calibration!

Oh, I better try it in LO-MAC!!! That would be sooooooooooooo nice, if it finally worked. I'll just jump into a F-15 and give it a try.

Like Arnold said: "I'll be back"

[BLAZERBRUCE]

gvo,

Glad to hear everything is working for you, definitly sounds like a good calibration is in the works and you will be all set. :cheers:

-Bruce

[gvo]

IT'S WORKING :thumbsup:
Oh, I can't thank you enough!! Thanks for all the help!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you ever come to Denmark, there's a cold nice beer waiting for you B)
/GVO

And off I went to try my brand new AND working throttle...

[BLAZERBRUCE]

GVO,

You said the magic word.. BEEEERRRRRRRR :cheers:

'Till then I gotta go, the proffesor is giving me the evil eye of death for typing all day in class LOL.


-Bruce

[gvo]

Ouch, you better watch out then :D
But thanks and take care for now!!!!

Regards
GVO

[Koff]

Hi!

I'm having problems with the boot disk and F-16 Fighterstick. Perhaps it has something to do with my soundcard not being available in DOS.

The disk it self seems to work ok, but each time I try to enter the programming tool, I get an error message. I can't remember it precisely right now, but it says something about the Joystick not being connected. Well, it is, both to keyboard and soundcard. Similarly, if I try to use Jcenter, it will not find my joystick at all.

In XP the joystick works fine. My soundcard is Hercules Gamesurround Muse 5.1. DVD. My motherboard has no game port.

Any Ideas?

-Teemu

[BLAZERBRUCE]

I'll see what I can do. Sounds like I may need to design a patch for the disk.

-Bruce

[BLAZERBRUCE]

Koff,

I may have a solution, but I need to do some fine tuning. I am going to try running the soundblaster pro drivers for you. I have heard this can access most newer sound cards in a dos environment. Hopefully should have the disk loaded here soon.

-Bruce

[BLAZERBRUCE]

Koff,

If you have an email address, I can send the patch files to you sometime this weekend or next week for you to test before I post a file on here.

-Bruce

[Koff]

Thanks, that would be great. My email is tjh@mbnet.fi

[Koff]

OK, I got my stick programmed. I just took it for a ride to visit a friend who still runs win98. :cheers:

But naturally i'll test that patch, if you get it working.

-
Teemu

[BLAZERBRUCE]

Koff,

Sorry its taking so long, I have been really busy with school work (Case studies :( ). I will do my best to get the files ready friday.

-Bruce

[Koff]

Don't worry. I'm in no hurry, as I got the stick programmed.

Aah, case studies.. Just solving one my self at the moment :whip:

[otiasj]

Hey nice work!
unfortunatly I don t have a 1.44 disk drive anymore
any chance this will work on a usbkey?

[BLAZERBRUCE]

otiasj,

A USB key wont work, I am in the process of making a burnable ISO image for cd-roms. I will let you know when I finish the project.

-Bruce

[otiasj]

Great Thank you,
I am trying to make my usb key bootable
I have tried various things but it doesn t seem to work so far
I will post the solution if i succeed
thx ++

[BLAZERBRUCE]

Sorry for the long wait, classes have become just a little tooooooo busy lol :wacko: . I finish May 11th and I probally wont have time to work on the project till then.

-Bruce

[otiasj]

Hello everybody
I successfully booted on my usb key !

I used the I-stick utility to to make my usb-key bootable
http://www.macally.com/techsupport/drivers....2installer.hqx (http://www.macally.com/techsupport/drivers/istickv1.2installer.hqx)

I don t know why but the hp boot utility would not work with my key
http://h18007.www1.hp.com/support/files/hp...load/20306.html (http://h18007.www1.hp.com/support/files/hpcpqdt/us/download/20306.html)

then i just merged the disk for the f16 and the disk for the throtle using the files given on this forum and copied the result on my key.

The only trick is that you have to have a disk drive to make your key bootable (did that at work once now it s ok :P )

I changed the menu in the autoexec.bat to have a choice between F16 and throttle utility and now I can boot under dos directly from my usb key :D

note : Your motherboard boot option should be put on usb-zip
(at least for me it s the only option that work, usb-fdd or usb-hdd does not)

See ya all!!

[otiasj]

Ok,
Next step is to put a micro windows 98 on usb key to use speedkey.exe :rolleyes:
Anybody ever used 98lite ? http://www.litepc.com/98lite.html
They say they made a win98 version that take only 9mb!

++

[MichaelCHProd]

this is looking cooler and cooler B)

[BLAZERBRUCE]

Thanks otiasj,

Time for me to go midevil and make an ISO :evil: I never heard of this lite version till you brought it up. Many thanks, and I will worik on the ISO soon as I can B)


-Bruce

[otiasj]

Got a mail from 98lite
we can t get a 9mb version with the 98lite professional edition (25$)
the smallest you can get is a 46mb version.

to get a 9mb version you have to buy it directly from them,
the problem is that it cost 480$ :thumbsdown:

so for now i will try the 50mb version with the trial version of 98lite

++

[BLAZERBRUCE]

otiasj,

Ouch that costs alot :o .. Thats ok because an ISO should help most people be able to run all the dos based applications if they dont have a floopy drive. Although, saving maps on the cd isnt possible after the image is burned :(

-Bruce B)

[BLAZERBRUCE]

Hello everyone,

I am finishing up touches on the ISO image and I hope this will help most of you. I am adding soundblaster drivers to help with some of the soundcards.


-Bruce

[Jswier]

Hello Blazerbruce......Sorry to bother you but this is too good to pass up. I am a little unclear as to what sequence to follow. If you don't mind could you please clarify the steps to take? For instance, I have copied the file onto my hard drive to then transfer it to a diskette. From the diskette, do I unzip the file first, then reboot the pc with the boot diskette in place?

Sorry but as they say the only dumb question is the one not asked!

Thanks, Joe

[BLAZERBRUCE]

Jswier,

No problem, heres the steps B)

1. Download the file on this page to your computer hardrive.
2. Put a blank 3.5" diskette into your computer.
3. double click the file you download,
4. click "accept" after program starts.
5. click "install".
6. Next you will see a black and white text screen appear.
( if you dont, goto "C:\CHFIXDS\install.bat").
7. Press any Key to continue on the screen.
( if it goes blank, just run the file manually "C:\CHFIXDS\install.bat").
8. Press "A" if after making sure you have disk in computer.
9. Press any Key to continue on the screen.
10. Press "B" for your Pro throttle.
11. Press "ok" for the disk to be formatted.
12. Remove disk when screen tells and press a key.
13. Press "D" to exit. and then any key to continue.
14. Shut your computer down
15. Insert disk and turn on computer.
16. Now you are in the CH DOS program utilities, when done, reboot the computer without the disk inserted.


-Bruce :thumbsup:

[MichaelCHProd]

Nicely done Blazer :thumbsup:

[BLAZERBRUCE]

Thanks Michael B) Hey Jswier, let me know how this goes for you. If your computer has trouble running the floppy disk, let me know. There are quick fixes I can help you with if you have any trouble.

-Bruce

[Jswier]

Many kind thanks Bruce, that really helped alot. I will take a shot at it today. This forum is awesome-just fantastic. I appreciate the time you took to do that-nice job.

thanks, Joe

[Lostgoat]

I printed that step by step guide. Thanks!

[BLAZERBRUCE]

Thanks guys,

Yea, I guess I should include this in my next release for CD-Roms, and a future updated version of this program that will include:

- generic soundcard drivers and...
- hopefully a program to test gameport/Midi port X2,Y2 axis compatibility :punk:


-Bruce :flying:

[Toffe]

Hi there!

First off, thanks a lot for making this software! I finally built a new desktop PC a while back and had been looking forward to using my old gameport fighterstick/pro throttle again, but until I found this fix I was afraid I might have to go find a new stick - and all the other sticks I'd been looking at handle like swizzle sticks stuck in jello.

Anyway, my problem: the boot disk program runs fine, but my mouse isn't working in the pro throttle config program - so I can't program buttons to [alt]-whatever (for instance) as I can't use the keyboard mapping thingy in the program itself. My mouse is just a standard plug-and-play optical PS2 mouse (media-tech MT1000). Any ideas? Just buy a new mouse?

[BLAZERBRUCE]

Toffe,

No problem, I am spending Thursday morning setting up a new bootdisk version to be uploaded on here with a few fixes. I am including a mouse driver that should work with yours and most others. Within the next day or two the new file should be loaded on here.

-Bruce

[Toffe]

Excellent! Looking forward to it.

[BLAZERBRUCE]

Toffe,

Good news, did some work and so far everything is going good, I am sending the file to a friend for testing then posting it on here.

-Bruce :D

[BLAZERBRUCE]

Hey Y'all,

Im guessing your all wondering why I havent finished the new boot disk yet and mouse patch... We'll besides working my :censored: off doing small jobs I have been messing around with freedos to see what devious work I can come up with next :lol: I am simplyfing freedos much as possible to save disk space and working on a remove program to delete unwanted files from the disk image I am experimenting with. So far I think this will be a major success because freedos, we'll its FREE lol.That and Im sure MS will get ticked if I use their mouse driver :thumbsdown: lol.. So everyone in the Gameport realm get butt to the end of your seat and your finger nail digging inot the desk cause this will be one hell of a release if all goes as planned :thumbsup:


Plans so far....
Freedos Image
GRAPHICAL USER INSTALL INTERFACE!!!!!!!!!!! no more text screen if I get my way lol

-Bruce

[MichaelCHProd]

Wicked cool :thumbsup:

[CptA]

Ref: 98Lite

I have used 98Lite on a bunch of older 486 class machines with tiny Hard Disk Drives (<210MB) and very little RAM (<32MB).

To date most of the installs I have performed have been aimed at extending the useful life of these obsolete machines for use in single-task applications such as Amateur Packet Radio and APRS (Automatic Position Reporting System).

My 98Lite license is still good, and I have downloaded the latest version (v4.7), so I think I&#39;ll play around with this a little, and see just how small of an install I can get out of it.

One of the options is to use the Win95 explorer interface rather than the one from Win98. This strips out all the components used for Web integration and both greatly speeds up the OS and also reduces its storage footprint.

I&#39;ll let ya know...

CptA

[312.Karl]

Helo, today I bought CH Throttle gameport version. I use 568 Combatstick USB as well.

But my throttle is not alive and I cannot understand the use of DOS boot disk. I know what DOS is, but how can the throttle work in XP after second boot? :unsure: Are there some XP drivers for that? I downloaded the CH analog pack but CHthrottle was not there :(

Can you help me someone, please?

S! 312.Karl

[MichaelCHProd]

Karl,
You need to hook the game port throttle to a true analog joystick in order for Windows to see it. Mixing game port and USB is not a good idea.

[312.Karl]

Thanks for reply, but I used 568 Combatstick USB together with gameport Genius F22 (reworked as throttle) without problems. But I uderstand throttle is not like ordinary joystick and has its own . So if I plug into my CH throttle another gameport joy, everything will be fine?

Is it so difficult for the people at CH products to create XP driver for that? I think many people would be very very happy. Including me. Pls pls :(

[MichaelCHProd]

Sorry Microsoft closed the keyboard port for game port programming pass through cables. So no XP Speedkeys, ever.

If you connect a true analog gameport joystick (I think it has to be a CH one but I am not sure) then you should be able to get some basic functionality out of the throttle. BUT it is only going to work with your CH USB Combatstick in games that support multiple joystick inputs.

[312.Karl]

pity to hear :unsure:

I fly Il2 Sturmovik FB and there is no problem with 2 different sticks

[BLAZERBRUCE]

312.Karl,

As Michael was stating, WindowsXP cannot send information to the Throttle or Fighterstick to program because of the port programming protocal now used. The good thing, is once any of the CH programmable devices are setup, they are still capable of sending key commands through WindowsXP. The Bootdisk was intended to allow you to program the device so you can play in WindowsXP. I am currently still working on a new FreeDos bootdisk, and am trying to "shrink" the package as much as possible for easy download. Hopefully the old or new one will work good for you :)

-Bruce B)

[312.Karl]

thank you Bruce for reply!

but all I want is just driver to "see" the throttle in WinXP. I dont need the programming feature. So I ask politely for such driver even without special functions such programming modes etc... :salute:

So . One axis, 8 buttons, 4point HAT. I dont need more :luv:

[312.Karl]

Another step to make throttle alive: I connected analog Genius F22 old joy and voila, throttle works! BUT, no buttons or HAT available (on joy yes, on throttle no)... grrrr, what now?

:oops:

Any chance to make XP driver just for throttle? What do you say, CH products? No programming, just basic slider and buttons functions.

[BLAZERBRUCE]

312.Karl,

I dont believe you can make a driver for the throttle that will do as you wish. The throttle doesnt have 4 button combinations like the combat stick and flightstick pro. I would suggest checking out the profiles CH offers from there site. keys (ftp://ftp.chproducts.com/pub/Key%20Sets/Pro_Throttle/)


-Bruce B)

[312.Karl]

giving up.... returning the throttle to the store...
:thumbsdown:

[MichaelCHProd]

probably the best bet.

[BLAZERBRUCE]

312.Karl,

When all else fails, its time for a USB HOTAS :)


- Bruce B)

[MichaelCHProd]

When all else fails, its time for a USB HOTASÂ* [/b]

ALWAYS the best bet

[312.Karl]

Yeah! I totally agree
USB Pro pedals on the way... USB Pro throttle is too expensive in czech republic - I will use my tweaked F-23 Genius as throttle.

But thank you guys for advices in this case!!!

S! :cheers:

[Murph]

Hi! I just found out about this program- it sounds like just what I need. I have an analog CH Fighterstick and have been using an installation of win98 on a separate HD to change profiles. Something of a headache, though it does work.
I think I understand how to set up the program on a boot disk, but I&#39;d like to know if I can use this program to install preset profiles like I could with speedkeys. Or will I have to reset each keystroke each time I use the disk?
Thanks for coming up with this program, I was afraid I was going to have to try and sell my old stick and pedals (Thrustmasters) even though both are still working just fine.

[BLAZERBRUCE]

Hi Murph,

This Bootdisk is definitly what you need ;) . The bootdisk will save any profile you make if you wish. The fighterstick also uses an eprom chip, so all information stays in it when it is unpluged. I havent had time to make any profiles myself since getting ahold of a USB Hotas, but CH offers a selection of premade proflies I was able to use on even new games. Follow the link below to download from CH&#39;s server.


Fighter Stick Keys from CH (ftp://ftp.chproducts.com/pub/Key%20Sets/F-16_Fighterstick/)


- Bruce B)


P.s. If you have any troubles, dont be discouraged, ask and I will help the best I can. Your mouse probally wont run in this version of XP boot disk, so just use the Shift key and the highlighted letters to move around the menu&#39;s. I have another Mouse supported bootdisk to upload at my buddies house to send to Revvin :)

[Murph]

I may have to wait for mouse support- I&#39;m not finding it at all easy to navigate in the program without it.

[BLAZERBRUCE]

Hello everyone,

Read the 1st post, I placed the file up here


-Bruce B)

[Murph]

I have the mouse file zip- how do I install it to get mouse support?

[Wulfgar]

Murph -
See first post in this thread:
http://www.ch-hangar.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=542

[Murph]

I formatted the disk and did a reinstall of the program, then unzipped the mouse patch directly to the disk. The program does not load when I reboot with the floppy in the drive. I am seeing what appears to be a list of commands, but the screen no longer gives me options to open the program.
System info; AMD 64-3000, ASUS K8V Deluxe, 2x512 Corsair XMS 3200 RAM. SoundBlaster Live 5.1 Gamer sound card for gameport.
CH F16 Fighterstick w/Thrustmaster Pedals. Stick and pedals work fine in XP but need to use win 98 to change profile using speedkeys.

[BLAZERBRUCE]

Murph,

I have fixed the problem, expect a new zip soon :D


-Bruce B)

[Murph]

Thanks Bruce! Maybe I should mention I&#39;m using a cordless mouse? Would that make any difference?

[BLAZERBRUCE]

Murph,

Maybe, I&#39;ll see what I can do.


-Bruce B)

[Juggernaut]

Originally posted by Revvin@Mar 18 2004, 08:54 AM
PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING BEFORE DOWNLOADING

This program is designed to support CH Fighter Stick and Pro Throttle in Windows XP. Users must supply one 3.5" Standard 1.44mb Floppy Disk for Installation. After installation completes, reboot your computer and follow on screen instructions. This Program is in beta form and not directly supported by CH. For any questions, concerns, contact the author &#39;BLAZERBRUCE&#39;

For more information on this project you can also read this (http://www.ch-hangar.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=209) thread.

Downloaders must be aware that this program is used at your own risk

CHFIXDS.exe (1.7mb) (http://www.ch-hangar.com/files/Community_Projects/CHXPBOOT/CHFIXDS.exe)
Hi,

I downloaded the CHFIXDS file and I double click on it and go through the "installation" process, but at the end I always get an error message that the install.bat file cannot be found. I downloaded it twice and I get the same message when I try to install.

Has the downloaded file become corrupt?

Anyway I can get a working copy?

I appreciate your help!
Juggernaut

[BLAZERBRUCE]

Juggernaut,

I have just recieved your comment, and I will look into this tommorow morning or sometime tonight, sorry for the inconvenience. :(

-Bruce B)

[MichaelCHProd]

It looks like it downloads and extracts fine.

I only get that error if I don&#39;t extract it to the root of my C: drive. But it is not a problem just go into the folder you extracted the file to and then double click on the "Install.bat" file. The Command Prompt window will open and it will create the diskettes.

Still very cool though B)

Thanks BlazerBruce :salute:

[BLAZERBRUCE]

Juggernaut, MichaelCHProd,

From what Michael has stated I remember why this problem exist. If I didnt give a directory for the install.bat, Winzip can get confused on some platforms and look in the temp directory. Now as for the Bootdisk Program, as Michael stated it will work if installed from the c:\ folder or just access the install.bat file manually. Thanks Michael for the Help :salute:

-Bruce B)

[MichaelCHProd]

Thanks for the rad work around :salute:

[Juggernaut]

Originally posted by MichaelCHProd@Aug 25 2004, 03:39 PM
It looks like it downloads and extracts fine.

I only get that error if I don&#39;t extract it to the root of my C: drive. But it is not a problem just go into the folder you extracted the file to and then double click on the "Install.bat" file. The Command Prompt window will open and it will create the diskettes.

Still very cool though B)

Thanks BlazerBruce :salute:
Hi,

Thanks for the info.

It works now.

I have made two boot disks. :)

Now I just have to figure out how to program using this old dos system. :blink:

Thanks for the help!

Bruce you really did a great job! Excellent work!

Thanks!
Juggernaut

[MichaelCHProd]

You are welcome

[mekon]

Many thanks to Bob Church and Michael CH Products ,I have finally managed to get my CH Force FX,Gameport stick to calibrate and work in Win XP.[By Disabling the USB ports in the BIOS]The force feedback doesn&#39;t work.but that doesn&#39;t matter.the only problem now is that only the first 2 buttons work,trigger and button 1,and the Hat only gives a 9 O&#39;clock view.but that is to be expected with the limited functionallity of the "ChanglXP " drivers.What I would like to Know is,could I use the XP Boot disk,provided by"BlazerBruce to programme the Keys,and maybe the POV hat of the ForceFX?I&#39;m using the J&#39;stick and a Saitek X36T throttle [with only the Z or throttle axis connected },both plugged into a &#39;y&#39; cable and that into a set of Thrustmaster pedals,plugged straight into the Soundcard Gameport.Thanks for any advice.Col.

[MichaelCHProd]

Could your setup be any more diverse? :)

BlazerBruce&#39;s Boot Program is looking for a game port pass-through to a CH programmable device (Fighterstick, Pro Throttle, or CH Throttle). As you are not using one of these I would think that the software is not going to see your controller especially since it is old CH Programming software that is looking for old CH controllers.

[BLAZERBRUCE]

mekon,

I have tried numorous times to get the XP programs to work, and in fact once I did, but then the whole system locked up worse then Windows on a good day :lol , Anyways, I will try to see if there are any other port drivers I can experiment with and bring everyone back up to date with the project.

-Bruce B)

[-)-Mailman-]

I have dual booted my machine, WME and WXP, since WXP came out so I can still use my CH Force FX, CH Pro Throttle & CH Pro Pedals. I have both hard drives formated in FAT32 so, other than the OS, it makes no difference where I load my files. To me it is easier to dual boot rather than pay for a new CH flight rig which does not even have force feedback. It pays to have force feedback flying the F4U Corsair for not only stall warning, but also start of compression, trust me.

I have a couple of questions:

1. In this WXP setup do you still connect the pass through to the PS2 keybord port to use Speedkeys?

2. Will I still be able have the Force Feedback in WXP?

3. Does any company make a game card for the PCI slots similar to the GameCard3 ISA card (I have it stored back in its original box?)

4. Are there any re-adressable game cards available in order to connect the aux port for the toe brakes on my CH Pro Pedals? Any way to connect the toe brakes other than through a re-addressable game card?

5. Lastly, is there any type of adapter (internal or external with cables that will allow an ISA card to connect and run in a PCI slot or USB port?

My system:

Abit KG7-Raid
AMD XP 1800+
Windows ME on C Drive
Windows XP Pro on D drive
Yamaha 40 x 24 x 10 CD-RW
Pioneer 40x CD-ROM, 16x DVD-ROM
768 MB DDR RAM
MSI GeForce3 Ti-200 Pro 64 MB, O.C. 244/445, 1152 x 854 32 bit @ 100 MHz
MSI Stereo2-Glasses
NEC MultiSync 97F 19" flat screen CRT
Creative Sound Blaster Audigy Gamer
Cambridge Sound Works FPS2000 digital speakers
Linksys 10/100 FastEthernet NIC
MS Internet Keyboard Pro (PS2 & USB) both connected (for flight rig)
MS Intellimouse Optical
Iomega ZIP100 Parallel Port (setup in WME because WXP changes drive letter)
HP Deskjet 692C
CH Force FX, Ch Pro Throttle, CH Pro Pedals

Thankyou,
-)-Mailman-

[MichaelCHProd]

1. In this WXP setup do you still connect the pass through to the PS2 keybord port to use Speedkeys?[/b]

YES


2. Will I still be able have the Force Feedback in WXP?[/b]

NO


3. Does any company make a game card for the PCI slots similar to the GameCard3 ISA card (I have it stored back in its original box?)[/b]
NO


4. Are there any re-adressable game cards available in order to connect the aux port for the toe brakes on my CH Pro Pedals? [/b]

NO


Any way to connect the toe brakes other than through a re-addressable game card?[/b]

Not if you are using them with a game port stick and or throttle.


5. Lastly, is there any type of adapter (internal or external with cables that will allow an ISA card to connect and run in a PCI slot or USB port?[/b]

NO

[-)-Mailman-]

One of my squadmates just sent this to our list server. I guess there is a way to make a game port Ch Pro Pedals work with a Couger stick. It appears that the pedals can be rewired so that both the pedals and toe brakes will work with this joystick. I have included the drawing as an attachment. It is JPEG.

He states in the email that the rewiring "Only works with Couger because it will read 3 axis for the pedals and show PC an 8 axis USB device."

Hope this helps someone. Doesn&#39;t help me with my setup. :(

-)-Mailman-





Originally posted by MichaelCHProd@Sep 20 2004, 04:23 AM
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1. In this WXP setup do you still connect the pass through to the PS2 keybord port to use Speedkeys?

YES


2. Will I still be able have the Force Feedback in WXP?[/b]

NO


3. Does any company make a game card for the PCI slots similar to the GameCard3 ISA card (I have it stored back in its original box?)[/b]
NO


4. Are there any re-adressable game cards available in order to connect the aux port for the toe brakes on my CH Pro Pedals? [/b]

NO


Any way to connect the toe brakes other than through a re-addressable game card?[/b]

Not if you are using them with a game port stick and or throttle.


5. Lastly, is there any type of adapter (internal or external with cables that will allow an ISA card to connect and run in a PCI slot or USB port?[/b]

NO
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[BLAZERBRUCE]

Hey everyone,

Working on the last of the new bootdisk update (spelling :glare: :lol: ). This new release will incorperate all patch work and add some graphics to it. Hope Ya&#39;ll enjoy it when I get it posted on here with more details :salute:

-Bruce :cheers:

[ron533]

Hi Bruce, (and everybody else..:) )

I have the F-16 fighetrstick with win xp and of course I had to use your workaround (Thank you so much for your effort and support!!!)

after booting and choosing F16 fighterstick, I try to program it and I get an error which says to check my connection to the port or keyboard and to press OK....and then goes back to the menu.... and of course it is connected...
I had the F16 CH combatstick which worked fine on the same computer.

My rig spec&#39;s are : P4 2.53ghz, MB:Asus P4T533C with on board game port (the book says it&#39;s 15 pin, actualy 16 maybe for Midi support too)
could that be the problem?
I do have movement in the stick (I fly F4 and Lockon mainly now) but the POV&#39;s don&#39;t work properly... pressing the POV&#39;s makes the views switch and I can&#39;t program them throught the game.

what is the controller type I have to choose from the control panel game devices menu once I get this probem solved??

Thanks for all your help so far ( I was a passive reader so far and this forum helped me allot, especially Bruce! :) )

[MichaelCHProd]

Do you have the CH Analog Drivers installed on this PC? With them you should be able to "Add" your controller by it correct name in Game Controllers.

[ron533]

Originally posted by MichaelCHProd@Oct 23 2004, 09:50 PM
Do you have the CH Analog Drivers installed on this PC?Â* With them you should be able to "Add" your controller by it correct name in Game Controllers.
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I have installed them and I see CH Fighterstick (I guess it the same even if it doesn&#39;t say CH F16 Fighterstick..right??....)
The manual says install for Win98 as "3 Axis 4 Buttons Joystick"....
either way... I still have the problem above..an Error message when trying to program from Bruce&#39;s boot disk....

any ideas?
thanks
Ron

[BLAZERBRUCE]

Hi Ron,


after booting and choosing F16 fighterstick, I try to program it and I get an error which says to check my connection to the port or keyboard and to press OK....and then goes back to the menu.... and of course it is connected...
I had the F16 CH combatstick which worked fine on the same computer.[/b]

Is your keyboard connected to your computer USB, or is it connected PS/2? Also, if your keyboard is ps/2, does all the keys work in windows ok? if it doesn&#39;t try "wiggling" the cable to make sure it seated properly into the port on the PC. If your computer is using a USB keyboard, you will have to either need to get a cheap ps/2 keyboard (seen them as low as $4) or get a usb to ps/2 adapter.

-Bruce

[ron533]

Hi Bruce ! :)

Thanks again for all your efforts!

Yes I have a PS/2 keyboard and it&#39;s working well, and since the keyboard is connected through the joystick cable I think we can rule contacts out... I did however play with the cables but no results...
I tried connecting the joystick to the gameport directly and not through the Thrustmaster pedals I have (they worked fine with the old Combatstick) but still no positive outcome.... :(

Anything else??

thanks

[BLAZERBRUCE]

ron533,

Do you have another rig to make sure the f-16 fighterstick keyboard cables aren&#39;t damaged?

-Bruce

[ron533]

Originally posted by BLAZERBRUCE@Oct 24 2004, 01:17 AM
ron533,

Â* Do you have another rig to make sure the f-16 fighterstick keyboard cables aren&#39;t damaged?

Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* -Bruce
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Actually not, I&#39;m looking for a Win98 rig to test it but can&#39;t find one with a proper gameport...

[loopdaloop]

this looks like a very usefull program you are making.

will it work for my old suncom gameport throttle ?

this is an older throttle with 2 throttle axis (which can be locked together to function ias a single unit ), but sadly the company that made it went belly up many years ago. would be great if i can get this unit recognised under winXP , since i could use the twin throttle levers for mixture and prop pitch in sims that recognise multiple inputs (like the il2 series)

will your program also work on this unit ?

[BLAZERBRUCE]

loopdaloop,

Sorry, this bootdisk is CH Products only. For your throttle to work in xp, select 4 axis, 4 button joystick. From what I recall, all the programming drivers are built in the device.


-Bruce

[ron533]

Originally posted by BLAZERBRUCE@Oct 24 2004, 01:17 AM
ron533,

Â* Do you have another rig to make sure the f-16 fighterstick keyboard cables aren&#39;t damaged?

Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* -Bruce
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Hi there... :)

After a long break from dealing with the F-16 Fighterstick,
I gave it a go and installed Win98 just to check if the stick is working.
and it is...:) it types letters in speedkeys as expected.
I&#39;m new at programable joysticks and stuff so forgive me for being slow here... :blink:
I need to understand the concept of programing the joystick.
Do I have to program it for every game I want to play individually?
I use Win XP, so does it mean I have to load Win 98
(it&#39;s on an external H.D. so it means dealing with connecting it to the computer again and again...jumpers etc...)
or there is an easier way?
I fly F4, Lomac, IL2 etc&#39; ... I use only this stick and rudders. is there a universal template?
In short, you get my drift...I&#39;m slow and new in the area, and to make matters worse - I use Win XP....
thanks for your help and patience....
Ron

[H.Geertman]

Originally posted by BLAZERBRUCE@Apr 4 2004, 09:38 PM
GVO,

Â* The CH throttle is has a hard wire axis, which means it uses the "B"&#39;s y-axis on your gameport. You cannot program the slider motion of the Throttle. The CH throttle was designed to use the BY-Axis pin on the gameportÂ* which is normaly used by a throttle wheel on a joystick, or another complete joystick device. I dont believe the use of another joystick brand will cause this problem because the Throttle splices and blocks any output from another device using the B Y-axis. Because the throttle transmits macro &#39;s through the keyboard port, your gameport could have troubles and not affect button performance. Sounds to me your gameport isnt supporting 2 joysticks for some reason. I suggest trying to run the throttle in stand alone..Â*


Here is a test to see if your computer isnt recongnising 2 devices...

Remove any devices installed on the gameport menu in windows.
Setup a standard 2 axis 2 button joystick.Â* Run the calibration program to see if the computer can detect your Throttle. If it doesnt work, consult your computer manufacture, or motherboard manufacture on how to enable "A" and "B" gameport devices on your computer and if "legacy" support is available. You need to purchase a gameport card for your computer, but the computer manufacture should be able toÂ* help you your trouble.

Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* -Bruce
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Hai Bruce,

I `v got the same problem as GVO with my old CH Throttle, buttons work fine, no slider motion.
motherboard ASUS A7V8X on board gameport.

I hope my attachment with gameportscheme will be accepted.

Question: will the gameport pins work for my CH Throttle or do I need a Gamecard 3 ?

Thanks

[BLAZERBRUCE]

H.Geertman,

The jumpers you have are for a standered 2 joystick gameport and should work. Not sure were to find the bracket. I no longer have mine.


-Bruce B)

[-)-Mailman-]

I just reread the posts for this thread and some questions have come to mind. I have my CH Force FX connected to the CH Pro Throttle and to COM Port 1. I have my CH Pro Throttle connected to the CH Pro Pedals and the keyboard PS2 port. My CH Pro Pedals are connected to the Sound Blaster Audigy Gamer game (midi) port. I dual boot my machine with WME and WXP Pro.

I. I have a MS Internet Keyboard Pro that has two connectors. It can be connected as:
A. PS2 keyboard
B. USB keyboard
C. use both connectors and it becomes a PS2 Keyboard and a USB hub for the two ports on the back of the keyboard. Makes short connection for USB mouse.

II. In WME can I connect the keyboard as USB, leave out the keyboard&#39;s PS2 connector and connect the pass through connector (PS2) from the CH Pro Throttle to the PS2 port and have the following results?
A. Keyboard functions properly as USB keyboard.
B. CH Pro Throttle works correctly and allows for programming of the buttons with speedkeys.

III. Will the physical setup in II work in WXP if I use WME (or your dos boot disk and utility) to program the joystick and throttle buttons with speedkeys?

IV. CH Force FX Com port connector.
A. What does the Force FX connector to COM 1 do?
B. Is this where the Force Feedback transmit from?
C. Is it even possible for the Force Feedback to work in WXP?

V. Are there any mother board manufacturers (good quality) that still include at least one ISA port (for my CH GAME Card in storage) on today&#39;s mother boards that use at least a AMD XP2100+ or faster processor? It would be nice to fix my rudder sticking (slow sound card gameport)at full left when I rapidly kick the rudder back and forth to skid out of a guns solution.

Sorry for the long post, but inquiring minds want to know! ;)

[BLAZERBRUCE]

1. use the Keybord port only with chproducts, no usb!!!!

2. no matter what, XP wont program ur CH device :( . USB only emulates the keyboard port, not change its functionality :thumbsdown: . WinXP, 2000 protocal eleminates output through keyboard port and serial ports other then postive voltage. (Microsoft is weird) :angry:

3. You can only program the stick outside of XP. ( blam bill gates :whip: )

4. All the force feedback inputs are transmitted to the joystick through the com port. (basicialy the force feedback protocol cant use the keybord port due to all the instructions and stuff :blink: )

I busted my ass hacking XP, and it doesnt like me lol, and it wont work in XP without loosing system stability :rolleyes: .

5. I have seennew ASUS and Gigabyte boards work flawless with CH products. Look for Nvidia chipsets. If you feel unconfortable, ask the manufacture, they shouldn&#39;t hesitate to tell u if the board is a fast gameport.



-bruce B)

[-)-Mailman-]

1. If I understand you correctly I cannot have my keybord connect USB only and connect the CH PRO THROTTLE to the PS2 Keyboard port seperately?

2. I am aware and understand that XP will not program the buttons on MY CH PRO Throttle and CH Force FX Joystick which is why I chose to dual boot with WME and WXP Pro in the first place. I also understand that is the reason why you created the dos boot disk and speedkey utility for WXP.

3. When you refer to "program" do you mean create key assignments, install a premade profile or both? What if you have profiles already (had most of them for years) and copied to the desktop? In Windows ME I just click on the ICON and it finds the stick and downloads the profile to the Throttle and Stick.

4. So WXP does not allow the force feedback inputs through the Com Port Connector?

5. So what you are saying is that the ASUS and Gigabyte mother boards have game ports that are fast enough to not to have to use my CH Game Card? Is this game port part of an onboard sound system or is it seperate? If it is part of an onboard sound system can the sound be disabled and leave the game port enabled? I really don&#39;t want to replace my Audigy for sound, but would disable the midi / game port on the card in a heart beat.

To your knowledge does MSI or ABIT make boards with fast game ports? Wife has had good sucees with her MSI kT7266 PRO2-RU board (seperate onboard gameport, sound, midi port) and so far my ABIT KG7-Raid board (no onboard gameport) has worked well. I will ask them, but value your opinion to compare their answer for their truthfullness.

Thank you for replying to my questions and I look forward to hearing from you again.




Originally posted by BLAZERBRUCE@Feb 9 2005, 02:37 AM
1. use the Keybord port only with chproducts, no usb!!!!

2. no matter what, XP wont program ur CH deviceÂ* :( . USB only emulates the keyboard port, not change its functionalityÂ* :thumbsdown: . WinXP, 2000 protocal eleminates output through keyboard port and serial ports other then postive voltage. (Microsoft is weird)Â* :angry:

3. You can only program the stick outside of XP. ( blam bill gatesÂ* :whip: )

4.Â* All the force feedback inputs are transmitted to the joystick throughÂ* the com port. (basicialy the force feedback protocol cant use the keybord port due to all the instructions and stuffÂ* :blink: )

Â* Â* I busted my ass hacking XP, and it doesnt like me lol, and it wont work in XP withoutÂ* Â* Â* loosing system stabilityÂ* :rolleyes: .

5.Â* I have seennewÂ* ASUS and Gigabyte boards work flawless with CH products. Look for Nvidia chipsets. If you feel unconfortable, ask the manufacture, they shouldn&#39;t hesitate to tell u if the board is a fast gameport.



Â* Â* Â* -bruceÂ* B)
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[MichaelCHProd]

1. If I understand you correctly I cannot have my keybord connect USB only and connect the CH PRO THROTTLE to the PS2 Keyboard port seperately?

You are correct the Keyboard pass-through cable for any of the programmable game port controllers MUST have a keyboard on it to function correctly.


2. I am aware and understand that XP will not program the buttons on MY CH PRO Throttle and CH Force FX Joystick which is why I chose to dual boot with WME and WXP Pro in the first place. I also understand that is the reason why you created the dos boot disk and speedkey utility for WXP.[/b]

Why, why, why ME? 98 is so much better :)


3. When you refer to "program" do you mean create key assignments, install a premade profile or both? What if you have profiles already (had most of them for years) and copied to the desktop? In Windows ME I just click on the ICON and it finds the stick and downloads the profile to the Throttle and Stick.[/b]

Both. If they are SpeedKeys profiles then boot ME (eeewwww) and load them in SpeedKeys. Then boot into XP and go play.


4. So WXP does not allow the force feedback inputs through the Com Port Connector?[/b]

Yep, half of it is the OS (Windows XP) and the other half is Direct X. Either villain you want to blame, same results...... no force feedback.


5. So what you are saying is that the ASUS and Gigabyte mother boards have game ports that are fast enough to not to have to use my CH Game Card?[/b]

Possible but the more devices you put on it and the higher your Direct X gets (anything above 7.0 is touchy) the less chance they will work.


Is this game port part of an onboard sound system or is it seperate?[/b]

Depends, usually if you look in the BIOS you can see for sure.


If it is part of an onboard sound system can the sound be disabled and leave the game port enabled?[/b]

See Above.


I really don&#39;t want to replace my Audigy for sound, but would disable the midi / game port on the card in a heart beat.[/b]

In all likelihood the midi port on the SB card is probably very similar in performance to what you are going to find on a current motherboard.


To your knowledge does MSI or ABIT make boards with fast game ports?[/b]

No one makes a motherboard (or sound card) with a true game port on it anymore. In fact I have not seen a real one in close to three years. 15 pin ports on PCs are midi ports, some worse that others.


Wife has had good sucees with her MSI kT7266 PRO2-RU board (seperate onboard gameport, sound, midi port) and so far my ABIT KG7-Raid board (no onboard gameport) has worked well. [/b]

Knock on wood :)


I will ask them, but value your opinion to compare their answer for their truthfullness.[/b]

I hope I have not interrupted by barging in with my opinion.

[-)-Mailman-]

Why, why, why ME? 98 is so much better :)

Restore feature, only reason.


So what you are saying is that the ASUS and Gigabyte mother boards have game ports that are fast enough to not to have to use my CH Game Card?[/quote]

Possible but the more devices you put on it and the higher your Direct X gets (anything above 7.0 is touchy) the less chance they will work.

Was basing this on what Bruce said about ASUS and Gigabyte and those boards having fast gameports.


I have seen some companies offering motherboards with faster processor speeeds than what I have currently (XP2100+) with ISA ports slots. I will look at them. The only problem I have is the rudder sticking at full left if I try to quickly kick the rudder back and forth to skid the plane. If I move the rudder slowly this does not occur.

Feel free to barge in anytime.

[BLAZERBRUCE]

I personaly haven&#39;t had trouble using CH gear on new/newer boxes wih intergrated sound. The chances you need the Gamecard are probally slim to none from the experience I have had. I will test the FighterStick on the Audigy 2 zs card and see how it performes.

-Bruce B)

[-)-Mailman-]

Well I have the sound blaster audigy gamer (don&#39;t know technically what makes it different than the plain sound blaster audigy.) The problem I have is the if I rapidly move the rudder back and forth several times the rudder will lock in the full position for like 10 seconds then releases. My current rudder pedals are the CH Pro Pedals, but this also occured with my CH Pedals. The sound card&#39;s game port is the common thing here.



Originally posted by BLAZERBRUCE@Feb 11 2005, 09:57 AM
I personaly haven&#39;t had trouble using CH gear on new/newer boxes wih intergrated sound. The chances you need the Gamecard are probally slim to none from the experience I have had. I will test the FighterStick on the Audigy 2 zs card and see how it performes.

Â* Â* Â* Â* -BruceÂ* B)
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[BLAZERBRUCE]

-)-Mailman-,

When all else fails go USB, I did and believe me you wont look back :lol:

-Bruce B)

[BLAZERBRUCE]

-)-Mailman-,

When all else fails go USB, I did and believe me you wont look back :lol:

-Bruce B)

[culero]

Just in case this helps....

I&#39;m aware of instances in the past where people (including myself) had a Pro Throttle that worked in every respect except for the throttle slider itself, and were able to make do by programming the throttle axis to send a macro using the key commands for the game to advance or retard throttle incrementally. You have to play with the frequency of repeat on the macro.

culero

[-)-Mailman-]

Originally posted by BLAZERBRUCE@Feb 21 2005, 03:38 PM
-)-Mailman-,

Â* When all else fails go USB, I did and believe me you wont look backÂ* :lol:

Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* -BruceÂ* B)
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Well unfortunately CH doesn&#39;t make Force Feedback Sticks anymore so if I were to follow your advice I would be using a different product line which does produce Force Feedback sticks. :(

[-)-Mailman-]

Originally posted by culero@Mar 27 2005, 10:52 AM
Just in case this helps....

I&#39;m aware of instances in the past where people (including myself) had a Pro Throttle that worked in every respect except for the throttle slider itself, and were able to make do by programming the throttle axis to send a macro using the key commands for the game to advance or retard throttle incrementally. You have to play with the frequency of repeat on the macro.

culero
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The CH Pro Pedals are what I am having problems with. If I quickly move the rudder left and right it will lock at full left for about 5 seconds before it moves to the neutral position.

The only CH Pro Throttle Problem I have is that occasionally I have to unplug the throttle from the PS2 keyboard port and from the game port (CH Pro Pedals Pigtail) because the throttle is not recognized in windows or speedkeys. Once I do the above mentioned steps the Throttle gets recognized.

WME is what I use for my CH Gameport flight rig setup.

[TequilaChaser]

I downloaded the boot utility, and made a floppy, it still throws out the keyboard and computer will not boot up.

I have tryed both with the gameport on my MB and then with a gameport to usb adapter ( stick works in both but hats and buttons don&#39;t! )


The stick picks up and I have control of all axis ( x,y,z rudder / throttle) but no keyboard use

or keyboard cable use.

any help?

system specs:
Win XP Pro
ASUS A7N8X-E Deluxe
AMD athlonXP 2800+
1 gig PC2700 DDR mem
Ati Radeon Pro 9800 128 meg videocard
directx9.0c
all newest bios/drivers etc.....
(2) 120 gig SATA150 HDs running in RAID 1 mode
and other pc junk ( dvd-rw dvd-rom floppy drive)
CH analog F16 Fighterstick, pedals,throttle ( don&#39;t use pro throtle much bad pots waiting to get all new USB HOTAS when money is available LOL)

[-)-Mailman-]

Originally posted by BLAZERBRUCE@Feb 21 2005, 03:38 PM
-)-Mailman-,

ÂÂ*Â* When all else fails go USB, I did and believe me you wont look backÂÂ* :lol:

ÂÂ* ÂÂ* ÂÂ* ÂÂ* ÂÂ* ÂÂ* ÂÂ* -BruceÂÂ* B)
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Soyo makes a mother board that will run a P4 3.06 GHz processor and has 3 ISA slots in addition to the PCI and AGP slots. So there is a board to install your Gamecard 3 and if you dual boot with W98/W98SE/WME you can adjust the game port speeds. :D

SY-P4I 845PE ISA

[orangina]

Hi.

Your boot disk is great. Just one little problem. Would it be possible to make one with an AZERTY keyboard setting instead of QWERTY.

Thanks

Orangina

[BLAZERBRUCE]

orangina,

Oh my, AZERTY keyboard layout... Oh my.. I must admit I never had a question of that nature before. Unfortunitly I went x64 and dont have a 16-bit OS to support my hardware to test such a program. ( !@# :rant: microsoft ) .................. and I was just thinking about playing Wing Commander II :(

But....

I will scroll through some old notes in the closet and see what patch work I can develop to make the bootdisk work for ya :)


Figure I can put something together ASAP


~ Bruce B)

[-)-Mailman-]

So does this CH XP Boot utility boot disk fit on a 1.44 mb floppy. Should I use a zip disk or CDR?

[BLAZERBRUCE]

So does this CH XP Boot utility boot disk fit on a 1.44 mb floppy. Should I use a zip disk or CDR?
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This bootdisk program will fit on a standard 1.44 mb floppy disk, with plenty of room to store any more files created.... I am also thinking about trying this program on a usb thumb drive to see if it will be supported for those of you who are extreme hardcore gammers out there :evil:


~Bruce

[topcat989]

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So does this CH XP Boot utility boot disk fit on a 1.44 mb floppy. Should I use a zip disk or CDR?
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.... I am also thinking about trying this program on a usb thumb drive to see if it will be supported for those of you who are extreme hardcore gammers out there :evil:


~Bruce
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please, please do...... :yahoo:

[WhiTey-FU]

A usb pen drive version would be excellent, please make one!

[capt_sacto]

This DOS boot disk program also works on the CH Throttle (not Pro Throttle). I have the gameport version of the CombatStick - Throttle - Pedals. I have been using them for about 10 years! How's that for longevity?

Thank you for saving my older controllers BlazerBruce. Kudos for your work!:thumbsup:

[NoDontStop]

Hi.

Your boot disk is great. Just one little problem. Would it be possible to make one with an AZERTY keyboard setting instead of QWERTY.

Thanks

Orangina

I use the DVORAK layout and here's how I get it to work in DOS:
1. Obtain these files: keyb.com and dvorak.sys . The dvorak.sys is your stumbling block - you'll have to find one for AZERTY. Perhaps you can modify the dvorak one into azerty:confused: .
2. Put them on your DOS disk.
3. You can execute this via autoexec.bat or command line:
keyb dv,,dvorak.sys

I also recommend doskey so you can scroll back through previous commands. Get doskey.com on your disk and then execute with:
doskey.com

If you want to be able to program <shift>, <ctrl>, <alt> (you can actually program them as right shift or left shift, etc) you need to have a mouse to access the keyboard layout while programming buttons. The CuteMouse driver works for me. You get a bunch of files when you download that - so many that there's not enough room on the floppy. All I have of their files is the actual driver, ctmouse.exe . You can call it via autoexec.bat or command line with:
ctmouse

I've attached the aforementioned files that are working for me :thumbsup: . YMMV. UAYOR.

[NoDontStop]

I made this map for my pro throttle and combat stick (it also has some spots for keyboard commands). I thought I'd post it in case there's somebody out there that can use it.

The GIMP and SmartDraw are what I used to modify the bitmaps supplied with the boot disk files. The GIMP is all you'd really need to modify it if you want, and best of all it's free.

I'll go ahead and nip this in the bud too: No, I won't modify it for your BrandX ModelY throttle/stick combo.


Great job, Blazerbruce, on the files :thumbsup: . You made it where I can actually use my "new" ($15) PT. Thanks a bunch! :cheers:

[NoDontStop]

I made this map for my pro throttle and combat stick (it also has some spots for keyboard commands). I thought I'd post it in case there's somebody out there that can use it.




I forgot to mention that the throttle keymap is drawn assuming you have ALT, CTRL, and SHIFT assigned as throttle buttons 2-4. This gives you 68 buttons (plus A-C-S) assuming JuniorUltraClassicSuperPremiumMarioDonkyBrothersKi ng can recognize the difference in 'A' and 'a', etc. The throttle has the ability to program <left shift> and <right shift> individually, so I suppose you could have even more (98) commands if your game supported it, but even 68 is hard to train yourself to use (the normal 20 leaves my hand confused at times). I haven't fooled around with the throttle and A-C-S, so I don't know what will happen if you try. Refer to my previous post regarding mouse support to get access to programming the extra keyboard buttons.

[BLAZERBRUCE]

Hi guys,

Im sure glad to see the project is continuing to help all of you out. Nice work NoDontStop with the help on the keyboard layout

~ Bruce

[magnet_dk]

A big thank you to you Bruce for making it possible.
I'm running your config from an USB stick and it works like a charm :)

I have tried configuring a setup based on Windows98 (to get Speedkeys), however with certain chipsets in more recent motherboards this is just not possible (Nvidia Nforce 4 and several Intel chipsets don't have support for W95/98/me which means that W98 hangs in boot).

Those who own motherboards based on chipsets other than these should be able to get W98 running.
I have successfully (on another machine with an Nforce2 chipset) installed and run W98 on both CD and USB stick.

Installing on USB stick is fairly straightforward provided that you are able to set it up as a boot device in bios.
Installing to CD I followed these directions:
http://www.lachiesadicristo.it/w98cd/page1.htm

I have also tried getting W98 and Speedkeys to work with virtual machines - this is *not* an option - VMware,MS Virtual PC,Parallels Workstation,Bochs IA-32 all fail.
MS VPC (both 2004 and 2007 beta) comes closest as it does in fact install a gameport, but fails to recognize a connected joystick (because XP is still in control of it - disabling the gameport in XP's device manager doesn't solve it).

Hopefully this post will save time for those of you wishing to try the W98 way to get Speedkeys back.

[BLAZERBRUCE]

Magnet_dk,

Yea unfortunitly virtual machines only work as well as the Operating System they are installed on. XP will still block the keyboard port output capabilities speedKeys needs to access the CH Controllers.. Have tried a few work arounds, non of which have been stable enough to function properly.

~Bruce

[ron533]

I've checked with the above site on how to create a win98 on cd - but it's too much for me...
and I dont have an option to boot from USB, so I really could use an ISO with speedkeys onboard...

maybe it could run from linux?? thus solve the rights problem...
???

[BLAZERBRUCE]

ron533,

With a virtual machine setup in linux I guess it might be possible.. Have read of occurences of Linux boxes running windows xp, now which program they used I cant remember.

~Bruce

[cpheboss]

Hello,

I am using an old virtual pilot pro, with the pro pedals (old too) => gameport.

You never speak about them.

Is there a way to configure buttons and brakes ?

Thanks

[BLAZERBRUCE]

Nope.... but, if u need to get them running in windows XP, their is a CHanolog file to download from www.chproducts.com (http://www.chproducts.com) umm, uh u may have to contact CH, they dont have the Gameport files listed anymore.

[cpheboss]

Chproducts staff replied they do not provide support for gameport products anymore. So do you know where I can find the file you mentioned ?

Thanks for you help

[BLAZERBRUCE]

http://forums.creative.com/creativelabs/board/message?board.id=Vista&message.id=13336

[cpheboss]

Thanks for you help, but I am using XP.

My Virtual pilot pro and pro pedals axes work, but I haven't been able to configure buttons and brakes.

Is it possible ?

Thanks a lot

[BLAZERBRUCE]

Only in games for your rig.

For best Windows XP performance for your rig, also try ftp://ftp.chproducts.com/pub/chanlg08.exe this is the correct drivers for most CH Gameport products

~Bruce

[CAT-1]

Only in games for your rig.

For best Windows XP performance for your rig, also try ftp://ftp.chproducts.com/pub/chanlg08.exe this is the correct drivers for most CH Gameport products

~Bruce

Hy Bruce,

i have a Force FX and Throttle and Pedals Pro on a Game Port by XP installed

i am working 75% i have no Buttons by Throttle, and the Break on Pedals is not working.

I have no a Idee, can i the Lyou with 3 x Adapter installed ? (see Pic)

what for Driver can with this Hardware working, and waht making i with the RS232 Port Cable ?.

Thankyou you for Info

Greatings :)

http://www.tg-store.de/assets/thumb/USB_Gameport_Adapter_33101.jpg

[BLAZERBRUCE]

CAT-1,

I have never used this hardware adapter before, and have little knowledge about it. CH-Products uses a system in the joystick that uses key combos, this allows up to 16 combinations. Your adapter may not support this feature. The issues your experiencing with the pedals would require you to have your drivers set for 4 axis, you may have it set to 3 by default.

[Tourmaline]

Hi, i also try to use the dos programm for the hotas system.

I use the pedals, fighter stick and pro throttle. problem is that my system doesn't recognize the throttle or stick when i try to load the mapping program.

Any suggestions?

It is attached to the gameport of the motherboard.

Hope you guys can help me, since it is a gripe not to be able to map a perfectly working setup.

Tourmaline.

[BLAZERBRUCE]

Tourmaline,

Are you running the bootdisk to configure your hardware while in windows XP? Make sure your keyboard cables attached to the throttle and joystick are properly connected.

~Bruce

[Tourmaline]

Tourmaline,

Are you running the bootdisk to configure your hardware while in windows XP? Make sure your keyboard cables attached to the throttle and joystick are properly connected.

~Bruce

Hi,
yes, i made the bootdisk in xp, reboot and run the bootdisk, run pro throttle but the setup is not recognized.

To be exact, i ran your bootdisk program in xp, it made the bootdisk and then reboot, run the utillity program.

So, i understand that i have to try to make the bootdisk while in dos, using a win98 or me bootdisk, run the bootdisk program and make the bootdisk in dos.

I am sure everything is propperly connected.

btw, i use a pci soundcard but not the gameport on it. I use the motherboard attached gameport. So, are soundcard drivers still essential?!

Thanks for your help.

[BLAZERBRUCE]

Tourmaline,

When u install a soundcard, any onboard sound/gameport is generaly disabled in the BIOS. My guess is the power is not being supplied to the gameport to power up your CH Gear. Another possibility is the motherboard may not support writing capabilities through the keyboard port. I havent tried any motherboards made since 2004 with the bootdisk.

[Large Alvin]

Hi Bruce, just curios if there was a boot disk to make my old stuff work. I have them working in xp but the z axis (throttle) is unstable. It seems to erratically put out the value of the y axis then returns to its correct state. I wouldn't care except it happens 5-10 times per second. Also the elevator flips instantaneously up then back down about every second or so. It's just irritating, I just live with it like it extra wind.
Any ideas for a cure for this, Currently I am using a pci game port adapter card with a wdm driver. At least it works, unlike the bad success others have had with analog game ports.

[cpheboss]

Hi,

I have news about my problem : brakes and buttons not working with windows XP. I tried to make them work using W2000 pro, but the problem is exactly the same : Axes work fine, but brakes and buttons don't work at all.

We supposed it was because of XP blocking something on gameport, but now I am using windows 2000 pro, so what could be the problem ?

I hope you will be able to help me.

[BLAZERBRUCE]

Large Alvin,

Have you downloaded the CH Analog drivers ?

ftp://ftp.chproducts.com/pub/chanlg08.exe

That should solve your problem.

~Bruce

[BLAZERBRUCE]

cpheboss,

Your brakes will not work if your gameport is not compatible, a proper setup will allow 2 'x' axis 2 'y' axis. Your buttons not working may have something to do with your joystick hardware. Are you able to program with the bootdisk? if not, their is a reset process you can try, but off the top of my head i cant remember what the button combination is. This is performed during a system reboot.

~Bruce

[Sputnik]

Bruce, do you think you could make a version of your app that creates the "bootdisks" on a usb key?

Thanks..