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[EAGLE]

When into the game for awhile , when I move the throtle hat to a location it goes strange, right view press and it shows back view or other views and stays there until I press F1 to default view. I keep flying looking straight ahead for a time then try the views again and they are working OK. Then maybe later it might do the same thing all over again.
CHMGR ver 3.00 HOTAS USB All other commands work perfectly, Aces Hi.
P4 3.0 CPU P4C800Deluxe AIW9800Pro 128. Running cool.
EAGLE

[EAGLE]

I may have found my problem. The hat switch was not programmed on the forward left/forward right/rear left/rear right. This may have caused conflicks,so I programmed them and it seems to solve my problem. Only time will tell :rolleyes:

[EAGLE]

NOPE it happened again, not for long but it did, Shucks, HELP.

[Revvin]

Is this your own profile or the one I uploaded? also have you perhaps switched to a different stickset in the game that is messing up your commands?

[EAGLE]

This is my own program for AH with CHMGR ver 3.00 on stick set 1.
Like I said, all the other commands are working fine, but the views on my Pro throttle Hat USB 8 way at times seems to wander in another direction when switching or moving the Hat left/right/rear etc., will show a different view, but if after pressing KB F1 returing it to default view and waiting a 30 sec or so time it will operate propererly, go figure?
Thanks for the concern.

[Bob Church]

If your map is using Modes, make sure you didn't get an extra hat command or two in some Mode other than 1. If that doesn't turn anything up and you want to send me a copy of the .MAP file, I can look and see if there are any screwy assignments in it.

- Bob

The StickWorks
http://www.stickworks.com

[EAGLE]

BOB: Thanks for your offer, am sending that information to you email sight.

[EAGLE]

Well I do not know how to send that information to you, in regular email I can add an attachment plus I do not have your email addy.
Is there a way to post my map file on this forum?

[Revvin]

Eagle> You can attach files to a forum post. When you reply to a message look under the main window where you type your message then under the 'Post Icons' (light blue/silver square smiley's) and you'll see a section titled 'File Attachments' just click on the 'Browse' button and look for the file on your hard disk then just hit the 'Add Reply' button when done and you're profile will be attached to your reply in the forum.

[EAGLE]

This is not my day.

Looked under Post Icons, but there is nothing there that says File Attachments :unsure:

EAGLE

[Revvin]

:oops: My bad! LOL I had the damn upload set wrong, try now you should be able to upload a file 1mb max

[Revvin]

<muffled screams as the admin is dragged outside and given a kicking>

[EAGLE]

BoB Church: Now the attachment file is here:

[Bob Church]

Got it, sorry about the address. I&#39;ll take and see what I can find.

- Bob

The StickWorks
http://www.stickworks.com

[Revvin]

I&#39;ve just tried your profile in the Control Manager keycheck program and Aces High (offline) and it worked ok for me. Did you have your stick mapped directly within Aces High joystick mapper before you made the profile? or perhaps inadvertantly re-mapepd some views keys in Aces High that are now conflicting?

Unless Bob can find anything I&#39;ve missed to try and figure out if it&#39;s the game or the stick try downloading your profile and use the Control Manager&#39;s keytest program for a while, simulate a quick flight and see if the buttosn still do everything they are suppossed to, if they do then you need to check Aces High joystick and key mapping in the game.

[Bob Church]

Well, I had a look at the file, but there doesn&#39;t seem to be anything odd in there. You mentioned waiting 30 seconds after the F1 press. Is that necessary or just something that worked? Will it clear with the F1 on Hat 2 Down or does it need the Hat 2 Down, or does it just not matter. I&#39;m wondering if there&#39;s something getting started that takes time to execute or if it&#39;s just that the views are out of sync.

I also notice you&#39;ve got stuff like "HOLD LCTL x" and "HOLD LALT x" stuff in there. Does CTL/ALT/SHF when used with the view commands produce anything view-wise like what you&#39;re seeing? When you&#39;re holding the modifiers down via one key, they can also modify any other key you press. If you&#39;re holding down KP8 and "B" at the same time, the sim is likely to see "SHF KP8", could produce unexpected results.

Other than that, I&#39;m not sure what might be going on. You might try a larger number for Character Rate on the Program Settings tab. If it&#39;s too low, it can cause characters to be missed by the sim. The map itself looks fine, all the codes are normal and there&#39;s nothing "extra" in there. I haven&#39;t heard of anyone reporting anything like that, if it&#39;s not happening in any other sim I&#39;d have to go with Revvin - maybe something in the AH assignments?

- Bob

The StickWorks
http://www.stickworks.com

[EAGLE]

OK here is what I did. I D/L chmgr AH profile as usual, then went into joy stick set up, the stick showed NO button allocations, which is good, then into rudder, OK, BUT when I went into throttle I noticed there were button allocations from button 20 to 32, so I selected each one and designated NONE to each therefore clearing the file and allowing CHMGR to respond to it&#39;s command.

Do you think this might work, lets hope I&#39;ll let you know.

Please still keep informed of any ideas.

[Bob Church]

It looks like the map would have put 10 buttons or so on the throttle, AH could be seeing those and making some sort of default assignments. On the ProThrottle, you&#39;ve still got Button 1 and Hat 2 Down assigned to CM Device 2, Buttons 1 and 10. which causes the buttons to be generated through 10 (though most won&#39;t work). If those two aren&#39;t really doing anything, you might try clearing them. As it is either of those buttons will cause whatever the game has assigned to them.

You can see what it&#39;s telling Windows as far as buttons go. Fire up the map and then go to the Test/Calibration screen in the CM. Pick CM Device 2, it&#39;s the throttle proxy, and see what it shows you for buttons and axes.

Let me know what you find out!

- Bob

The StickWorks
http://www.stickworks.com

[EAGLE]

BOB: Here are the findings:
After opening up the CH Mgr the panel has 3 TABS.
Fytr Stick Tab=CM Device #1
Pro Throttle Tab=CM Device #2
Pro Peddles Tab=CM Device #3
Then in the TEST/CALIBRATION The LIST TOP to Bottom=
Pro Throttle
Fytr Stick
Pro Peddles

Now I noticed how I programmed the 8 Way Hat in the THROTTLE.
In the CM Program when it shows up press(POV) I had it programmed for right view, it showed rear view I had it for left view, it showed left view I had it programmed for forward up view, it showed right view I had it for rear view.

Well I reprogrammed it the way it shows in the CHmgr POV indicator.

Boy I hope I explained this.

EAGLE

[Bob Church]

Well, I&#39;m not sure I understand everything you&#39;re saying, but it sounds pretty normal down to where the views go astray. In Direct Mode, the device order will just depend on how they get ordered during the detection process. In Mapped Mode, the order is determined by the map itself. The fact that the order is different in the Windows List than the tab order doesn&#39;t really mean anything is wrong.

I get a little lost down by the hat part, but I think you&#39;re just saying you push the hat one way and it looks another, and then listing which directions you moved the hat and which directions the view actually went:

up..I had it programmed for right view
rear..I had it for left view
left..I had it programmed for forward up view
right..I had it for rear view

What it sounds like is that you&#39;re seeing it in Mapped Mode sometimes and in Direct Mode at others. The POV hat when it&#39;s used as a POV actually needs to move right to give an "Up" look. Originally the CM followed that orientation, but it was very confusing, so around CM2 we changed the Control Manager to so that physical POV up matched Mapped POV up when the hat was programmed. Unprogrammed (or in Direct Mode), the hats are still in their original position so if the POV gets seen as a POV, the views as a POV won&#39;t line up with the views you would have programmed using characters. I don&#39;t know whether that explains what you&#39;re seeing, but it seems like it might be part of the problem.

Now it&#39;s my turn to wonder whether I&#39;ve gone incoherent or not. :) Does that make any sense? Would it explain some of what you&#39;re running in to?

- Bob

The StickWorks
http://www.stickworks.com

[EAGLE]

I think we should drop this matter and let me suffer the problems.
Again this dose not happen with any other flyt sim, go figure :(

[Bob Church]

>> I think we should drop this matter and let me suffer the problems. Again this dose not happen with any other flyt sim, go figure. <<

It is wierd. If it&#39;s not happening with Revvin when he uses the map, though, it&#39;s kind of hard to see that there&#39;s any basic incompatibility. I wonder if maybe it&#39;s something to do with the Hardware. If the drivers get an error, they&#39;ll try to recover and get things running again. That might take 20 seconds or so, it&#39;s hard to say.

I&#39;m about out of ideas anyway. If you get a solution, let us know what it was.

- Bob

The StickWorks
http://www.stickworks.com

[MichaelCHProd]

If you want I can issue you a RMA and I can have the Repair Section run through your controllers to see if by chance there is somthing odd in side them.

Only problem with that is I would think that if it was a wire or pot (or even the PCB) you would see it in other games.

[Revvin]

I think we should drop this matter and let me suffer the problems.
Again this dose not happen with any other flyt sim, go figure :([/b]

I&#39;m sure we can sort this out, don&#39;t give up just yet. When I get home tonight I&#39;ll print your profile out and give it another good workout but I don&#39;t think I&#39;ll find any problems as I did&#39;nt last time. It&#39;s odd that your throttle works fine in other sims and not AH. If I give the profile a workout tonight could you give the profile a test in the keytest utility in Control Manager, fly a simulated flight in your head and use buttons presses and combinations as if you were on a sortie and see what the keytest prog brings up each time you use a button. If that works as you mapped the stick then it&#39;s either an intermittent hardware problem or a problem with Aces High&#39;s keymapping. If your throttle works fine in other sims then we can discount a hardware problem. I know it&#39;s a bit of a pain but could you re-install Aces High? then we&#39;ve covered just about every angle and then perhaps time to send your throttle to CH for them to take a look.

[Revvin]

BTW are you using any scripts with this profile? is that .map file you posted the complete profile?

[EAGLE]

REVVIN, I did just that, D/L AH with a clean install, will see how that works. In the meantime I will do what you said just to see if the key presses are functioning.

I certainly hope I have not been a pest on this matter but sure am glad this forum is available to the likes of me.

On ward CH Hangar :thumbsup:

EAGLE

[EAGLE]

BTW that is my complete map.

:idea: I went into CH MGR and in the throttle are I removed the views:
Left Front/Right Front/Left Rear/Right Rear.
I found when I key pressed those commands it had a tendency to flip over to the next view command and they would ALL show up in the Key Press Test :thumbsdown:

I will try this new set up later.

:unsure: I wonder if that have been the problem :o

EAGLE

[Revvin]

Just played Aces High for an hour without finding any problems although I&#39;ve taken another look at your profile and noticed some possible errors (assuming your Aces High keys are as default):

Fighterstick: POV Up is described as being the &#39;Range Mic&#39; key but the key mapped is F11 which is padlock view (possible reason for views malfunctioning, especially if the problem is as you describe random, could be on the odd ocassion you try to talk to someone on range channel
POV Left is described as being the &#39;View Out&#39; (you mean external view?) but the key mapped is F5 which is the key for &#39;Fixed View&#39; (another possible reason for a viewing conflict)
I&#39;ve taken the liberty of adjusting your .map file to use the correct keys (as Aces High uses as defualt) for each button as you described, of course if you&#39;ve changed your keymapping in Aces High then this .map file won&#39;t work for you but as you said you&#39;ve done a re-install you should be using the default keys.

[EAGLE]

OK I have D/L your file will put it in the CH Mgr as AH R (for REVVIN ;) )
TY for the help, lets see how it works out.

EAGLE

[EAGLE]

REVVIN:I checked your CH MGR files, all the buttons are the same as mine except for the ROOM RANGE RADIO, it should be F11 & Mic is F12.
Will try it out in AH, but I feel it will be the same.
Lets see.

EAGLE

[Revvin]

AH default keys are:

Tuneable mic = t
Range Mic = F12

F11 is padlock view

[EAGLE]

<muffled screams as EAGLE is dragged outside and given a kicking>

:oops: You are right REVVIN :thumbsup:

Now are we even ;)

EAGLE

[EAGLE]

:stupid: I forgot to mention, I changed the commands in the KEY COMMANDS.

F12 MIC

F11 RANGE MIC

I will keep those settings, they are functional.

EASGLE