My Triplehead2go cockpit

[Windturbin]

My specs:

ASUS P5N-E SLI (Not using SLI yet)
Intel(R) Core(TM) Duo CPU E6850 @ 3.00GHz 900 Mhz
4094 MB (Ram)
Vista 64 bit operating System
1-Nvidia Geforce 8800 GTX Display adapter
PreSonus FireBox Digital Audio, 2-KRK 5" Rocket monitor speakers, Sony Head phones
Matrox TripleHead2Go Digital Edition
3-LG L246WP-BN 24 WIDESCREEN LCD 1920X1200 500 CD M2 1000:1 8MS HDMI Monitors
CH-Fighter Stick, Pro Throttle, Pedals
TrackIR Pro

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IL2 1946 is my preference for flight. A few Screen shots........

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I read many forums on the subject of (TH2G) Triplehead2go and wide screen monitors and was aware of the systems short comings before I put this system together. There are two problems with the TH2G while using wide screen monitors.

#1 Although you can run certain sims, the (FOV) field of view may be incorrect for oversized horizontal resolutions.
#2 If a monitor has resolution capabilities of over 1280x1024 you will not be able to access using the TH2G. (At this time)

Because my monitors aspect ratio is 16:10, the best resolution I can get using TH2G is 3840x800. If I had 19" monitors with an aspect ratio of 16:9, I would have access to a bit higher resolution. About the best you can get using the TH2G would be 3840x1024. (See Matrox.com for more technical info)

The maximum resolutions are largely determined by VESA (Video Electronics Standards Association) compliance standards which dictate a maximum number of pixels—currently 4000 horizontally—which can be outputted per port. For this reason, Matrox does not know if or when higher maximum resolutions will be supported.

With the way that technology is progressing, my personal opinion is that eventually the bar will be raised, hopefully while I am still using my 16:10 aspect ratio monitors. 3840x800 looks great on these monitors but it would be nice to have the capability of 5760x3600. oooofffffff

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The IL2 in game FOV was not written for 3840 wide resolution. Although I'm gaining approx 40" of horizontal viewing, I am losing approx 2" of my vertical view, 1" on the top and 1" on the bottom. (see above) The rectangle box in the middle of this screen shot would be my FOV if I was using a single monitor.

As you can see in the pic above the cockpit FOV is zoomed in more so than on a single monitor with a standard resolution. The exterior (outside of the cockpit) is no a problem at all, the FOV can be zoomed in or out via the mouse for any FOV desired. CH device buttons can be scripted to automatically adjust the FOV desired as well. (Thanks to Bob)


http://www.ch-hangar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5367

Many think (myself at first), why would you want to spend the money on high resolution wide screen monitors if you can't use the native resolution?

My feeling is, the larger the monitor the larger the objects, these eyes of mine are not getting any younger, now I can see Jerry coming from farther away.

With trackIR (which works exactly the same with TH2G as it does on a single monitor) while In cockpit I can look up to the sun or down to the ground below, which helps make up for the couple of inches of vertical view that I technically lost. But it would be mucho better if Oleg would come out with a patch for TH2G users to tweak the FOV!

Having to run the sim at a lower resolution allows me to turn up the graphics quality on my Nvidia card a bit more without taking as much of a hit to my frame rates (I think). My frame rates are 60 FPS max. (can't go higher than monitor refresh rate) to 40 minimum so far.

Bottom Line, IL2 1946 is looking pretty damn good right now, I would not want to go back to a single monitor.

Most importantly, I am now set up for the arrival of Oleg Maddox Battle of Brittain Storm of War, it will have Multi-monitor support with the correct FOV!

Hope this little review helps some one. Have not tried any other flight sim as of yet, but am planning on trying FSX.

[Chris0381]

Very nice. Hope you have SLI for BOB. I really like that setup. It makes sense to me.

Say no to bezels

[El Hefe]

looks very good man

[Windturbin]

Very nice. Hope you have SLI for BOB. I really like that setup. It makes sense to me.

Say no to bezels


looks very good man

Guys, I am really enjoying this setup.

Yes my MB has sli capability in case I need it.

And yes, I missed mentioning the third problem with TH2G. The bezels. Would it be better without them. You bet!

I used a single monitor before I added the other two, I prefer the three over the one even with the bezels though. Your aircraft (or what ever) is always in the center screen, the side screens are really great for peripheral vision, they add immersion to the sim, even with the bezels.

I stumbled across this just the other day, its supposed to come out in 2008 sometime. Not sure what the cost might be, I would imagine its going to be more than what I had to dish out. But hey, no bezels!

http://gizmodo.com/341413/alienware-curved-monitor-looks-like-its-from-another-planet

[Allo]

I just bought a digital TH2Go and am trying to decide which monitors to get.

19"(1280 x 1024)non-widescreen x3
or
22"(1680 x 1050)widescreen x3

I was leaning towards the 19" option, but the aspect ratio in your screenshots doesn't look too bad. Now I'm thinking of getting the 22".
I take it that 19"x3 doesn't chop off the top and bottom.
This is probably the deciding factor for me.
Thanks for any input.

[Windturbin]

I take it that 19"x3 doesn't chop off the top and bottom.
This is probably the deciding factor for me.
Thanks for any input.

Depends on the in game field of view! What games or sims do you want to use the TH2G for?

[Allo]

What games or sims do you want to use the TH2G for?

FSX, Lock On(non-Flaming Cliffs), Falcon AF.

[Windturbin]

I fly FSX so I can personally testify that the FOV works very well with TH2G and wide screen monitors!

Have not tried Falcon, but have a look here......

http://www.widescreengamingforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10032

Have not tried Lock on, but have a look here......

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=17306

[Windturbin]

Generic (no replica) WWII Fighter pit

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instrument panel rear wiring

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completion of instrument panel with the exception of the instrument gauges. Five cut outs for heading indicator, air speed indicator, attitude indicator, altimeter and fuel gauge. Could be a while before installing these, maybe one every couple of months or so I hope.

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Close up of toggle switches and buttons

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Closer

Front instrument panel, with cut outs, working toggle switches, Hans Schmid fighter (Excellent) floor stick, CH-Throttle (am using the throttle hats for all my in flight views, modded CH-pedals (working great by the way)

Eventually I will do away with the desk after building the fuselage and mount or hang the monitors to the wall.

[Corsair8X]

Holy crap, you are amazing! Damn that looks good.

[kyuss]

I think with that zoom this game is unplayabel... I am waiting for an answer to this since I saw for first time the TH2Go. Now Matrox has added two new widescreen modes, but now I realiza that the game is NOT pready for this resolution (5040x1050 in my case)....:(

[Windturbin]

Corsair, I have been prefabricating everything (cutting and painting) in my back yard, the most amazing thing about me is how I have been able to bare the Texas heat while working on this :D. I'm liking were I am so far, has added more immersion. I do wish I could build it out of metal instead of wood, am an ex-carpenter and not a steel worker though.

kyuss, Do you know that for a fact that IL2 will not work with 5040x1050? I have downloaded and installed Matrox's GXM expansion utility, IL2 in the SGU recognizes 5040x1050 as an optional resolution, but I have not been able to get it to execute yet, does not appear to work so far but have not given up on it yet. Maybe it will only work with a certain driver? Am comunicating with Matrox trying to figure it out.

IL2 is definetly playable for me using TH2g with 3840x800 resolution, TIR and no-cockpit view help. Am getting plenty of kills. Computer graphic technology will only continue to get better, If you go with the TH2G setup it might be awhile longer before you would get the full benefit out of it. But it will come. Sims\games will catch up, FSX FOV works perfectly with TH2G. Like I said in my previous posts, I am building in anticipation of SOW! and future sims.

[kyuss]

I have read in widescreengaming forums that you must install the monitor drivers to use the new modes, perhaps that helps. If you see "generic monitor" or "PnP monitor" it's not able to use the new res.

I'm going to search that post.

PS: Salute from the overheated Spain :)

[kyuss]

Ok, I have seen you have posted in there! :)

[Windturbin]

Yes, I had been trying to get help over there at WSG, (no one over there plays IL2 though) have made sure that my monitor is using the TH2G digital drivers.

I spent all last night trying different drivers,adjusting settings in Nvidia control panel, also tried some custom resolutions.

The highest resolution I could get to work was 4080X768 which looks good and is playable for me, but I was hoping that if we could get 5040x1050. The vertical 1050 would help the FOV vertical clip problem on wide screen monitors I think.

So, now that TH2G has offered a higher resolution we know that IL2 is the bottle neck here.

For all I know, Oleg's team might could fix this very easily. Is frustrating not being able to get to the right person to ask questions. If Oleg said "can't be done" then I would let it go and quit spending time with it. My guess would be that it can be done though, but only within the game engine and by Oleg's team.

Again, hopefully SOW will be out soon and I am confident that it will be high resolution and FOV compatible with TH2G and wide screen monitors also.

[jayhigh]

hey windturbin...

do you have xfire or hyperlobby? i want to add u as a buddy.

ok, i am about to order 2 17" montiors...i think i will be doing the triple monitor thing...

but i will be doing it via softTH...

what games have you been on lately?

[Windturbin]

jayhigh,

don't have either loaded at the moment, used to use hyperlobby years ago when I flew IL2 online. Lately I have been busy just working on my hardware and software. You know, the hobby within the hobby. I need to get back into playing online soon, will be sure to let you know when I get back to it so you can put me on your buddy list.

Is your current monitor 17"? you going to match them?

From what I understand you can get whatever resolution your monitor and the game your playing offers using softTH. But getting them all working together for different applications may not be as user friendly as TH2G. But its free so what can it hurt to try it out. The only reason I didn't try the softTH was because I read on the softTH site that IL2 would not work with it.

I pretty much fly Il2 only. It just runs so much smoother than any other flight sim that I have tried. Even if I'm not in the combat mood and just want to take a flight, I prefer it. I do have FSX, but have not loaded it on my rebuilt computer (since my last computer was fryed by a lightning strike) but plan to load it again. Will definitely be loading black shark when it comes out! I use to like Longbow long time ago, still have it but is so outdated now, am sure it won't work with three monitors.I am spoiled now and can never go back to one! :)

[jayhigh]

Well i just ordered 2x 17 monitors that are of 4:3 aspect.
I attempted to cancel the order, because i came to realize that it is 15" that i needed. it was too late, for that they have shipped..
its not a bad deal for the 17" ..they were 130$ a piece brand new.

its not easy to find 15". kind of expensive, for that i guess they dont plan to make anymore for mainstream.

my original plan was to mount the 15" 90 degrees left and right of my 22"
but the 17" do not fit into the picture.

anyways, im going to have to get a 3rd monitor. i dont know if i should go for a 3rd 17" or a 20" widescreen....

what do you think?

i mainly play bf2..im trying to get into lomac...but i find myself enjoying the building of the hardware than it is to play.

[Windturbin]

I'm confused. :) You may know something that I don't, are you trying to get a certain native resolution to spread evenly across all three monitors for softTH or something like that?

Your 22" is 4:3 aspect ratio?

Why do you need 15" vs 17"?

Here are some different sized monitor configurations, here is a 4:3 aspect 17"x22"x17", actually they are calling the center monitor 21.3".

http://www.cinemassivedisplays.com/Trio_21X.php?a=1

Looks like it works!

[jayhigh]

well, i wanted to go with 2x 15" and one 22" because i was following the guy from left side limited who has a 4 monitor setup with DCS black shark...

http://www.leftside-limited.com/projects.html

note...my 22 is a widescreen monitor..your link shows a setup with a 22" regular sized 4:3 aspect monitor...

[Windturbin]

ok four. So you plan on getting another center monitor down the road to go below.

If its me, the wider the better, the guy in the black shark video probably wishes he had 17s on the side right?

also, I asume since you bought 4:3 17"ers that your 22" is 4:3 as well right?

[jayhigh]

nope..the 22" is wide aspect...16:10 i believe...i wish it was 4:3- then i will be ok with 17" sides !!!!!

but because my 22 is not 4:3, i have to look for alternative, which is ...
a) another 17" 4:3 aspect.
b) a 22" 4:3 aspect (TOO EXPENSIVE)
c) a 20" 16:10 aspect
d) a 24" 16:10 aspect

do you have x-fire or hyperlobby?

[Windturbin]

Hi Jayhigh

Loaded xfire, but could not find you.

what about.....

e) exchange the two 17" 4:3 for two 17" 16:10's to go with your 22" 16:10?

if I had a 22" 6:10 already and wanted to go with three monitors I would go with....

f) buy two more 22" 6:10's same exact make & model to match my existing monitor.

sounds like you prefer 4:3 ratios though. :)

Here is an old thread with different opinions about which aspect is the way to go.......

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=894216

Everybody has their own preferences, what works for me, may not be best for you.

[jayhigh]

from the sources i seen and photos...22" goes good with
2x 15" (4:3) mounted 90 degrees side by side.
2x 22" (16:10) side by side
2x 19" (4:3) side by side

[sohel02]

The IL2 in game FOV was not written for 3840 wide resolution. Although I'm gaining approx 40" of horizontal viewing, I am losing approx 2" of my vertical view, 1" on the top and 1" on the bottom. (see above) The rectangle box in the middle of this screen shot would be my FOV if I was using a single monitor.

As you can see in the pic above the cockpit FOV is zoomed in more so than on a single monitor with a standard resolution. The exterior (outside of the cockpit) is no a problem at all, the FOV can be zoomed in or out via the mouse for any FOV desired. CH device buttons can be scripted to automatically adjust the FOV desired as well

[Windturbin]

Major progress!

Built 75% of the fuselage, removed desk, mounted monitors to wall.

Made the fuselage with an open back so I don't have to climb over the top. Built 9 1/4" shelves on either side to support my trusty CH Pro Throttle and a cup of joe.

Next, will be to build the partial nose up to the wall as to cover all the wiring.

Then after that, all thats left are the gauges. Could be a year or more down the road for these, they are very expensive and my work\buss has slowed with the crappy economy. I can't believe someone in the US does not make affordable sim gauges.

My Wife thinks I have gone totally bonkers, I think she is fixing to have me committed! oh well as long as they will let me bring my flight simulator with me :D

[Corsair8X]

Man, you've been busy! Looks awesome!

[Windturbin]

thanks Corsair, yea, lots of work, no doubt.

[Garcol]

That cockpit is looking really awsome. I found this forum from your post from WSG.
Iam currently getting my system a bit updated.
I have been running TH2G with 3 19" monitors. I lost a monitor 2 weeks ago and decided to update with 3 22". My TH2G is analog version with digital arriving tomorrow, (fingers crossed).
Anyway I have a few questions for you.

How are you changing your config files? Are you using the Matrox SGU? Or doing it manually? It seems the best I can get right now is 3072x768.

I also will be getting the TrackIR very soon to help with the view.
A guy at work and his brothers fly IL2 and Im hoping to join in soon.
Iam a noob at flying but it sure is fun.

Your post is helpful and your cockpit is..... well AWSOME!!!! lol

Garcol

[Windturbin]

Garcol;35919]That cockpit is looking really awsome. I found this forum from your post from WSG.
Iam currently getting my system a bit updated.
I have been running TH2G with 3 19" monitors. I lost a monitor 2 weeks ago and decided to update with 3 22". My TH2G is analog version with digital arriving tomorrow, (fingers crossed).
Anyway I have a few questions for you.

Welcome to the TH2G club, you got CH pedals,throttle and stick yet? They are the best, and the tech support here is the best you will find.


How are you changing your config files? Are you using the Matrox SGU? Or doing it manually? It seems the best I can get right now is 3072x768.


Have tried both ways, all the SGU does is insert the resolution into the IL2 config file so you don't have to manually write it in. Same thing.

also, see..........

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=3751


I also will be getting the TrackIR very soon to help with the view.
A guy at work and his brothers fly IL2 and Im hoping to join in soon.
Iam a noob at flying but it sure is fun.

TrackIR is a must!


Your post is helpful and your cockpit is..... well AWSOME!!!! lol


Glad my post helped you, I got a lot of my pit ideas from looking at other peoples post and using a bit of info here and there to come up with my own design. Am just passing it along.

[WIpilot]

That is one beautiful cockpit.:D Nice work:cheers:

[Windturbin]

Thanks Pilot

For anyone who is curious, I kept track of the material cost that went into it.

I purchased all the construction items I did not allready have from Lowes Building supply

1 PCS 2"X4"X10' #2YP (floor skids) had laying around in garage
1 PCS 4'X8'X 3/4" MDF (floor) about $20.00
1 PCS 4'X8'X 7/16" OSB (insrument panel backing) had laying around in garage
1 PCS 2'X4'X 1/4" LAMINATED OAK (instrument panel) about $5.00
1 PCS 4'X8'X 3/4" CDX (fuselage structure) about $20.00
1 PCS 4'X8'X 1/8" HARDBOARD\MASONITE (fuselage skin) about $12.00
10 CANS SPRAY PAINT about $30.00
MISC LAG BOLTS, SCREWS, WASHERS AND NUTS about $20.00
1 PCS PIPE INSULATION (cap the top of the panel off) about $10.00

MATROX BOARD $60.00
22 TOGGLE SWITCHES\BUTTONS about $130.00

TOTAL MATERIALS....... a tad over $300.00

LABOR.........4 weekends of hard work.

TOOLs.......I had all the tools I needed, skill saw, drill. bits, jig saw, etc.

I though it was pretty reasonable for a pit I should enjoy for a long time! I know people who blow that much money going out of town for a weekend. Thats also about how much I spent on my CH products. both well worth it. :)

[Garcol]

Just an update...
I just got my LG monitors and Digital TH2g working last night. I had to reference your post about LG drivers to get DVI working...lol


Welcome to the TH2G club, you got CH pedals,throttle and stick yet? They are the best, and the tech support here is the best you will find.

I dont have room for much in way of controls and just use a cheaper joystick for now.



Have tried both ways, all the SGU does is insert the resolution into the IL2 config file so you don't have to manually write it in. Same thing.

also, see..........

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=3751

I really have no clue what resolution Iam running at? It says it changes it to 5040 x 1050 and it seems I can see a bit more than at 3072 x 768. But it still seems to feel a bit forward on the view.



TrackIR is a must!

This will be coming very very soon. I hate the hat/snap view.



Glad my post helped you, I got a lot of my pit ideas from looking at other peoples post and using a bit of info here and there to come up with my own design. Am just passing it along.

Your posts both encouraged and helped me with my setup and Iam extremely happy so far. Just flying is beautiful and dogfighting is awsome.
Now I just need to learn how to fly better....lol

Garcol

[Windturbin]

Garcol, glad I was able to help. My pilot skills could use improvement as well, is a blast trying to get better though! :D

[Windturbin]

Did a small remodel for 3 reasons....

1)when I tried to finish out the nose, I could not make it work because I made the fuselage too wide. Now it is a couple inches narrower on each side that will now allow the nose to wrap around.

2)I decided because instrument gauges are so dog gone expensive, and I just so happen to have a spare monitor at my work place I should go with virtual gauges until I can afford real ones. My new cut outs are 80mm and 54mm so they will work for either. Also, my previous instrument panel I had my instrument cut-outs too far apart for my 19" monitor to slide behind them.

3)I made this one out of metal, is much better in that respect.

The instrument panel now is very close to the shape of the Corsair.

The virtual gauges look great, now if I could just get them to work :mad:

[Capt_Crunch]

Windturbin, care to give as much details as you can about your CH Pro Pedal Mod? I would love to do the same. Thanks and nice work! No, you are not crazy :joystick:

[Windturbin]

Capt crunch..............

Are you looking for this?

http://www.ch-hangar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5707

By the way, those virtual gauges are fully functional now , very cool. Thanks to those guys over at UBI forum and my friend Hans Schmid. Also thanks to DDastartly for the gauges!

[Windturbin]

Finished out the nose.
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[jayhigh]

HEY WINDTURBIN...do you know how to adjust the FOV Field of View on FSX?

[VF-51_Wrench]

Hey WT, love your set up - cannot wait to see it when it is finished. I run two screens a 24" for the game and a 22" for Maps, Charts, Teamspeak, Touchbody, ect so i do not have to minimize out of the game.

But being someone that runs more than one screen I was always kind of annoyed that the same image is duplicated by windows on all screens, that is until I discovered this:

http://www.binaryfortress.com/displayfusion/

I am using just the freeware version and love it because I can run huge images across the whole screen landscape...

Thought I would pass it along.

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i282/VF51Wrench/Desktopexample.jpg

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i282/VF51Wrench/Desktopexample2.jpg

[Windturbin]

HEY WINDTURBIN...do you know how to adjust the FOV Field of View on FSX?

For TH2g.

Download Matrox latest drivers and gaming utility for your operating system.

You should be able to set FSX resolution either by using matrox SGU or in-game setting.

Also read here......

http://www.widescreengamingforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14361&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

FOV should be good.

for (what I think I know about) IL2 FOV , read here........

http://www.widescreengamingforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14492

[Windturbin]

Hey WT, love your set up - cannot wait to see it when it is finished.

Tanks, is still a work in progress, seem to be out of money and time as of late :)


I run two screens a 24" for the game and a 22" for Maps, Charts, Teamspeak, Touchbody, ect so i do not have to minimize out of the game.

That works!


But being someone that runs more than one screen I was always kind of annoyed that the same image is duplicated by windows on all screens, that is until I discovered this:

http://www.binaryfortress.com/displayfusion/

I am using just the freeware version and love it because I can run huge images across the whole screen landscape...

Thought I would pass it along.

Cool, thanks for that.

[striker85]

Wow nice simpit :cheers:

I started my simpit a few years and have never finished since it became functional enough to use :blush:

I keep telling myself one day I'll finish, it's pretty ugly, but at least it works.

I use the TH2G as well, glad to see it is working out OK for you to. From the screen shots I see that you appear to use it in single widescreen mode with IL-2? I use the Use3Renders option so I get three 4:3 views, one for each screen. This give a greater sense of periperal vision and doesn't cut off the top and bottom of the screen. Of course it comes with its own set of issues :rolleyes:

Anyway just wanted to say I really liked your simpit, great job!!

[GSENN]

For TH2g.

Download Matrox latest drivers and gaming utility for your operating system.

You should be able to set FSX resolution either by using matrox SGU or in-game setting.

Also read here......

http://www.widescreengamingforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14361&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

FOV should be good.

for (what I think I know about) IL2 FOV , read here........

http://www.widescreengamingforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14492Hey Wind!

Thanks for the info on TH2G!

Im new to all this TH2G, so bare with my ignorance..

But on the little research I have done, correct me if I am wrong, but some monitor sizes are better than others.. You noted how your size caused you to loose an inch above and below.. If there a monitor size out there right now that will result in you not loosing that inc top and bot?

In that I am willing to buy 3 new monitors if needed..

Im only really interested in IL2.. but new games like BlackShark would be cool with this too

Currently I have a LCD Monitor ViewSonic 19" 1280x1024 VX922 TFT LCD Monitor [Extreme Gaming; 2 ms] monitor

And my knee jerk reaction is to just by two more like that..

But..

If there is a monitor size out there right now.. Note not sure what that size should be.. but if there is one I wouldnt mind buying 3 new ones

Anyway.. any info feedback you got on this would be welcome!!

Thanks in advance!

[lensman314]

Before buying 3 monitors, make sure your desired resolution on the 3 monitors will be supported by the TH2G device. I have been researching it a little, and it can be limiting.

Before I knew about TH2G, I bought the Ergotron Triple Lift LX stand, and 3 widescreen LCD panels. Right now my computer can handle all three(2 video cards), but my beefiest video card (ATI 9600XT, AGP) can not use all the power of the TH2G. When I build a new computer(i7,Nvidia 280XT,etc) I dont know if the screens can handle the max frequency the TH2G puts out, which is ~57hz. The screens are rated at 60hz according to thier manuals. So I may be out of luck in the screen department. I just need to build the new machine so I can test it. And if I cant run the max resolution of the TH2G, I may need to get new monitors.

[Windturbin]

I use the TH2G as well, glad to see it is working out OK for you to. From the screen shots I see that you appear to use it in single widescreen mode with IL-2? I use the Use3Renders option so I get three 4:3 views, one for each screen. This give a greater sense of periperal vision and doesn't cut off the top and bottom of the screen. Of course it comes with its own set of issues

yes, all 3 monitors working as one is what works for me. Track IR lets me look up and down.


But on the little research I have done, correct me if I am wrong, but some monitor sizes are better than others.. You noted how your size caused you to loose an inch above and below.. If there a monitor size out there right now that will result in you not loosing that inc top and bot?

Its not the monitor sizes that cause the loss of vertical view in IL2 but the in game 4:3 ratio FOV it was written for back when.

If you got two more monitors like the one you have, the best resolution you can get would be 3840x1024 which is not bad.

Lesman413 is right, you need to understand which monitors\resolutions are best for using TH2G.

The best TH2g is capable of is 5040x1050, so if you bought all new monitors for TH2g you would want monitors capable of 1680x1050. But only certain games or sims are written to use this resolution. IL2 will not except it. FSX does. I would think S.O.W. will use it when it comes out!

[GSENN]

Its not the monitor sizes that cause the loss of vertical view in IL2 but the in game 4:3 ratio FOV it was written for back when.

If you got two more monitors like the one you have, the best resolution you can get would be 3840x1024 which is not bad.
Before I get started..

Im an aspect ratio noob..

But from what I have learned thus far it is just the ratio of the two..

Hence the word 'ratio' ;)

With that said here is what I am basing my thoughts/statments on..

1.33 = 4/3
1.33 = 1280/906
1.25 = 1280/1024 (i.e. not 4:3 ratio)
1.33 = 1600/1200

Now..

So at 3840x1024 will I loose a little at the top and bottom?

In that 1280x1024 is NOT a 4:3 ratio?

That is if I run it at the monitors native res..

Or do I have to run it (IL2) at a non-native res, like 1280x960?

I have only tried it once with my current monitor.. running at non-native res.. and the FPS did take a hit.

So given a choice I would rather run it at native, 3x1280x1024 and have black strip top and bottom, than to run it at 3x1280x960 and take a FPS hit..

Last note on aspect ratio..

If I got 3x1600x1200 monitor..

IL2 would be a happy camper?

But..

1600x1200 seems to be a rather odd size..

Do modern games and soon to be games support 1600x1200?

Or is it one of those monitor sizes that never quite made the grade?

I mean I love IL2..

And wouldnt mind buying 1600x1200 to make it happy..

But not if 1600x1200 meant all my current new games (COD5) and futrue games had to suffer because they dont support 1600x1200

I would rater live with the 3x1280x1024 with IL2 and make the rest of my games happy

Anyway

Any feedback is welcome!

Thanks in advacne!

[Windturbin]

Hey, I am no expert when it comes to explaining this stuff! :unsure:

But here is the best I can explain what I think I know about what you are asking.

The standard proportion in width to height for older computer monitors was 4:3, before the newer displays started coming out with a wider format: 16:9 or 16:10, designed for viewing movies or HDTV in wide format. IL2 was written back when the standard monitor was 4:3.

Think of it this way, 4:3 is a square and 16:9 & 16:10 are rectangle shaped monitors, if you lay the rectangle over the square, you loose a bit of the top and bottom of your square. No matter what the resolution of your monitor you loose the top and bottom of the square.

The resolution a monitor is capable of refers to the number of distinct pixels in each dimension that can be displayed or the physical number of columns and rows of pixels creating the display.

If you were to buy 3 1600x1200 monitors to run TH2g, you would be able to run certain games at TH2g's max resolution.

I was not aware that you would\could take a loss in frame rates if you did not run your game in your monitors native resolution. I am not running my flight sim in my monitors native resolution and it runs fantastic. I would think that might have something to do with other factors as well, type of video card, proccessor, ram, etc.

Hope this helps. :salute:

[Windturbin]

Hopefully I'll be satisfied with it the 3rd time around. This time I plan to use metal skin.

http://www.ch-hangar.com/forum/newattachment.php?do=manageattach&p=

[LonelyJoe]

OMG --- thats freakin' BEAUTIFUL!! tHAT STICK -- NOT that I could ever afford it... ?

[Windturbin]

I can't afford it either, but I did it anyway.

Here is pilot view.............

http://www.ch-hangar.com/forum/newattachment.php?do=manageattach&p=

[Boandlgramer]

Fantastic work , Warren.
I like to jump into your cockpit to bring down enemy airplanes.
Except, of course, my beloved FW 190 . :cheers: :D

[LonelyJoe]

I can't afford it either, but I did it anyway.

Here is pilot view.............

http://www.ch-hangar.com/forum/newattachment.php?do=manageattach&p=


Where do you purchase such a stick? I tried Google... no joy.

[jayhigh]

i see you have trackIR... but it looks like it set about 4-6 feet from your head..

how does it work for you?
i find that it doesnt work to well once it goes beyond 4 feet..

can i have a copy of your trackir config file?

[Windturbin]

i see you have trackIR... but it looks like it set about 4-6 feet from your head..

how does it work for you?
i find that it doesnt work to well once it goes beyond 4 feet..

can i have a copy of your trackir config file?

yes, you are correct, that is about the distance. works well.

here is the profile I am using...............

http://www.4shared.com/file/95332579/47e69a84/IL2-Physical-Pit.html

I did nothing special to it to get it to work from this distance though. I believe I left most of the settings default.

The profile is adjusted for using only the yaw and pitch, This is all I use it for. Maybe it works from a longer distance because the calculations are less complicated. Is a very simple profile!

Also, I have it set to were there is a pretty good dead zone so as the in game gun sight is very stable.

Also, I have it set to were I can't look down at all using the pitch, only up, don't want to look down at a virtual pit.

Say, Lonely Joe, did you get my e-mail?

[jayhigh]

hey loyal.. its me hannibal...

my F-15 HOTAS is coming....

[ghodan]

Hi,

What gauges set did you use in this pic:
http://www.ch-hangar.com/forum...p=38229&postcount=49

I could not find a set like that on the il2 ubi forums that look like that.

I want to build a simpit to and i would like to test/use the same set of gauges you used in that pic.

I would also see the triplehead2go setup in action on pics or vid.
This guy: YouTube - triplehead2go Forgotten battles (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAFTYKeN2cg) is using triplehead2go in il2 but he has a old crt in the middle (non widescreen ofcourse) and 2 possibly also non widescreen tft screen's on the side's
The effect is not so good as the wings left and right are pointing forward like:

\||/ instead of --||--

Could you please post a pic or vid of your setup with cockpit view.
I dont want to spend my money on a tripplehead2go digital unit + 2x 22 inch wide screen (i already own 1) if the view will be wrong in il2.

[Windturbin]

Hi,

What gauges set did you use in this pic:

I could not find a set like that on the il2 ubi forums that look like that.

I want to build a simpit to and i would like to test/use the same set of gauges you used in that pic.

I would also see the triplehead2go setup in action on pics or vid. This guy is using triplehead2go in il2 but he has a old crt in the middle (non widescreen ofcourse) and 2 possibly also non widescreen tft screen's on the side's
The effect is not so good as the wings left and right are pointing forward like:

\||/ instead of --||--

Could you please post a pic or vid of your setup with cockpit view.
I dont want to spend my money on a tripplehead2go digital unit + 2x 22 inch wide screen (i already own 1) if the view will be wrong in il2.

Sorry for the delayed response ghodan, have been out of pocket.

Here are the gauges.......

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/2511087684/p/4

Believe me when I say that you will not be disappointed running IL2 on three 22" wide screen monitors using TH2G. Especially now that the utility I was hoping and praying that someone would come up with to fix the IL2 FOV has arrived (see 1st post on page one, this is the answer) ................

http://il2fovchanger.byethost7.com/

Hurray :thumbsup: Works Fantastic.....so sweet!

[Windturbin]

1373

Plexiglass windshield, when looking through to monitor there is no distortion what so ever.

:)

[ghodan]

So what is the current status of this pearl of a simpit.
can you post new pics so we can all drool some more?

[Windturbin]

So what is the current status of this pearl of a simpit.
can you post new pics so we can all drool some more?

LOL!

I have been out of pocket for a while, just happened to drop by to see what was new with the CH forum.
I ended up purchasing some SpitFire gauges from Flight Illusions and rebuilt the instrument panel once again. Will not be the last time, will probably re-build once more. I get better at it each time I do it.

http://dc233.4shared.com/img/277691823/f3a83b88/4-30-2010-a-downsized.jpg (http://www.4shared.com/photo/3GxflH4o/4-30-2010-a-downsized.html)

Am currently one of Gary Edwards http://ge-tec.dyndns.org/FCIProject/ beta testers for the FCIProject. The FCIProject is the link that enables Flight Illusion gauges neeldes to move accurately with IL2 and the up and coming BOB. Gary is doing a fantastic job, very nice interface and is really quick and hassle free to execute.

http://dc203.4shared.com/img/277704580/6904500d/FCIProject_up_and_running.jpg (http://www.4shared.com/photo/r-RMG1au/FCIProject_up_and_running.html)

Here is a video (about 4 months old and not very high quality) showing the Attitude Indicator up and running with IL2.


http://www.4shared.com/video/ao1qRB72/FI-FCIProject-video.html

Gary now has the Air Speed Indicator, Altitude Indicator and the Slip/turn bank needles moving. He is currently working on the Directional Gyro. Will try to make another video (better quality) after the Gyro is moving.

Kind Regards,

windturbin ala ~ whiskey charlie

[ghodan]

wow, just WOW

so you gone from software gauges to real hardware gauges.
cool.
Are they more or less responsive then udp speed based gauges?

The only thing i can think of that you can put in your pit is http://www.simtechnik.com/grafiken/Pedale-B-7372.jpg full metal pedals.

What kind of throttle is currently in your pit?

[Windturbin]

Hi ghodan, the FI gauges are very solid and have smooth needle movement as long as data is not restricted for any reason.

I will be using my trusty CH pedals until I can figure out how to build something similar to these.......
http://dc235.4shared.com/img/283970329/c49d6019/SSpitfirerudders07.jpg (http://www.4shared.com/photo/YSMbWLby/SSpitfirerudders07.html)

I have torn into an old saitek throttle to experiment with trying to learn how they work, hopefully I can build one of these some day....
http://dc253.4shared.com/img/283972667/eb8b827a/Tony-7.jpg (http://www.4shared.com/photo/1A5zsQNG/Tony-7.html)
But until that day comes, when I am flying for fun I still use my CH pro throttle.

[FCIProject]

Hi

Do they still the TH2G? At the moment I am using a 32" TV/Monitor and that works fine, but I would love to go to 3 monitor setup.

You've found some good kit there. Can you put the links up for these products?

Can you put some links up for these products?

We must work on better videos for the FCIProject ;)

~S~

Gary

[Windturbin]

Sure Gary, they are still selling th2go products, not sure if I would rather have one 32" monitor over my three 24" inchers, would have to try one out to know for sure. Best of both worlds sounds good, three 32" inchers would be nice!

:D ..........Now I'm dreaming.

Anyone who may be interested............

Gary sent me the diagnostic phase of the FCIP software for beta testing yesterday, Is now reading IL2 data and sending it to not only to the Gyro compass but the FI generic instruments as well, such as the VSI and RPM gauges. It is also able to send data to the Gyro compass enabling the heading bug to move. Very impressive!

You would have to ask him but I think Gary may eventually make his software available for virtual gauge use as well as hardware gauges. Should be a step up from the UDPSpeed gauges if he does.

I can't wait for the finished version of FCIP and SOW! This is going to be fun.

[Windturbin]

Can you put some links up for these products?

Oh, sorry Gary, I forgot.

These are parts that Tony Hill came up with, he post them on the ww2aircraft sight, see...........

http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/start-finish-builds/spitfire-ix-cockpit-1-1-a-17217.html

I have tried to register there so I could ask Tony some questions, but the site does not seem to want to let me in :evil: