Xp Service Pk2 problems

[Bowman_61]

Is anybody else having problems with Xp sp2 ?

What seem to be happening is that if I try and download a new map after running one already my system crashes and reboots.

Bowman

[531_Ghost]

Haven't allowed the download and install yet here sorry.

[BLAZERBRUCE]

Bowman_61,

My understanding of serivice pack 2..... The death of Microsoft as we know it lol. Security has hit an all time high, I myself, refuse to download it because I heard u give up ur rights of privacy to microsoft. :whip:

-Bruce B)

[Revvin]

I can verify this one, after seeing this message I tried it on my newly upgraded system. I only re-installed Win XP with SP2 on friday and not had time to put much else on over the weekend so program wise I know there is not much that would interfere with Control Manager. This is what happens:

Run CM and download a few maps, it seems while CM is open you can download maps to your hearts content but if you close CM then open it then download one or two maps then close CM then open it once more and download a another map Windows crashes to a blue screen with 'BAD_POOL_HEADER' displayed in the top quarter of the screen.

I've tried this sequence once with antivirus running and without it makes no difference.

[MichaelCHProd]

Which was installed first CM or SP2?

At what point did you connect your controllers?

[MichaelCHProd]

Ok I have installed SP 2; other than it took forever I have seen no problems.

I had the Control Manager installed when I updated and I had my CS, PT, and PP all plugged in.

After the install I did a quick map download and had no problems. So I uninstalled all of my CH USB controllers and the Control Manager.

I rebooted and then I plugged each USB controller back in one at a time. They were all found by Windows and made use of the default Windows HID drivers with no problems.

Then I installed the Control Manager. There was the new annoying screen where Windows wanted to go out and ask Bill Gates if it was ok to install my hardware "for this install only", " for every install", or " not this time". I of course responded with a "not this time/it's none of your damn business".

1) I then ran the Control Manager and downloaded a map.

2) Closed the Control Manager.

3) Said some nasty things about Bill Gates.

4) Opened the Control Manager.

5) Loaded then Downloaded a different map.

6) Closed the Control Manager.

7) Made some obscene references to Bill Gates lineage.

8) Opened the Control Manager.

9) Loaded then Downloaded a third map.

10) Closed the Control Manager.

11) Faced my Monitor towards my Mac G4 and then went and gave my Mac a big hug and told it that she was the only real computer in my life.

12) Went back to PC and opened the Control Manager.

13) Used the Map Wizard and downloaded the map it made.

14) Closed the Control Manager.

15) Then I slapped the PC across the front of its case and told it that is was fat and a whore.

16) Opened the Control Manager.

17) Loaded a Map for controllers that are not even connected and downloaded it.

18) I then opened up the command prompt and started to type UNIX commands in and yell "what do you mean 'ls' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file.... are you stupid.. And your mother is ugly"

19) I then decided that we needed time apart and changed to my Windows 2K SP4 machine and posted this.

If Windows XP knows whats good for it when I go back it will apologize for not showing me the BSOD that I know it's hiding.

[Revvin]

I installed Win XP, SP2 then connected my controllers and then installed Control Manager.

[MichaelCHProd]

What kind of sound card do you have on this new hot rod of yours Revvin?

[Revvin]

Onboard sound at the moment, Realtek ALC850 8 Channel chipset, may change it for an Audigy 7.1 though so far it seems to be up to the job, controllers are connected to this (http://www.vantec.com.tw/ugtpc205.html) PCI USB 2.0 card.

[ZG77_Spectre]

Originally posted by MichaelCHProd@Aug 30 2004, 06:13 PM
Ok I have installed SP 2; other than it took forever I have seen no problems.

I had the Control Manager installed when I updated and I had my CS, PT, and PP all plugged in.

After the install I did a quick map download and had no problems.Â* So I uninstalled all of my CH USB controllers and the Control Manager.

I rebooted and then I plugged each USB controller back in one at a time.Â* They were all found by Windows and made use of the default Windows HID drivers with no problems.

Then I installed the Control Manager.Â* There was the new annoying screen where Windows wanted to go out and ask Bill Gates if it was ok to install my hardware "for this install only", " for every install", or " not this time".Â* I of course responded with a "not this time/it's none of your damn business".

1) I then ran the Control Manager and downloaded a map.

2) Closed the Control Manager.

3) Said some nasty things about Bill Gates.

4) Opened the Control Manager.

5) Loaded then Downloaded a different map.

6) Closed the Control Manager.

7) Made some obscene references to Bill Gates lineage.

8)Opened the Control Manager.

9) Loaded then Downloaded a third map.

10) Closed the Control Manager.

11) Faced my Monitor towards my Mac G4 and then went and gave my Mac a big hug and told it that she was the only real computer in my life.

12) Went back to PC and opened the Control Manager.

13) Used the Map Wizard and downloaded the map it made.

14) Closed the Control Manager.

15) Then I slapped the PC across the front of its case and told it that is was fat and a whore.

16) Opened the Control Manager.

17) Loaded a Map for controllers that are not even connected and downloaded it.

18) I then opened up the command prompt and started to type UNIX commands in and yell "what do you mean 'ls' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file.... are you stupid.. And your mother is ugly"

19) I then decided that we needed time apart and changed to my Windows 2K SP4 machine and posted this.

If Windows XP knows whets good for it when I go back it will apologize for not showing me the BSOD that I know it's hiding.
:rofl: Michael, stop...you're killin' me... :rofl: I'm glad you intrepid souls are testing SP2. I like to sit back and see what the results in the Real world are before I jump into the abyss. God bless you every one.

[BLAZERBRUCE]

Heya Michael,

That was great!!!! :thumbsup: , wow I need a beer :drunk:

The day I conform to Sp2 is the day I can no longer play new PC games and my Atari has failed too :lol:



-Bruce B)


Heres the Microsoft Obituary of SP2 (http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=884130&product=windowsxpsp2)

[MichaelCHProd]

ok Revvin.

I just put SP2 on my home PC and did the exact same as before and still no BSOD.

In fact just to really mess with it's head I clicked back and forth on the Mapped, Direct, and Off modes buttons as quick as I could to see if XP would cry.

No tears, not even a little wine.

I have my DX Diag print outs from before SP2 and after and I will give them a quick once over.

[Ripster]

Ugh, I'm also having the blue screen problem with "Bad_Pool_Header" after installing XP SP2 and any time I run CM 3.0. Joystick (FS/PT/pedals) seem to work fine but anytime I try to download I get BSOD.

I have a Dell XPS, Audigy ZS and I'll play around with deinstalling CM3.0 and report back.

[Ripster]

I deinstalled and reinstalled CM3.0 with no problem but...

Now when I click on calibrate I get a "No devices found" message.

Looking in Device Manager I get a list of HID devices very much like what Michael posted in the previous "I don't think I'm getting it" post. BUT Device Manager isn't listing the "CH Combatstick USB, CH Combatstick USB Hardware, CH Propedals, etc." entries under CH Products.

Stumped. If no one has any other ideas I can try deinstalling SP2 but I'd really rather not. Haven't had any other problems with oddball USB devices like TRACK IR or a Nostromo N52 speedpad.

[Ripster]

OK, back to where I started. Did another reinstall but this time I used "CHDelete" to remove any traces of other install. Also I found an extra Mouse HID listed so I deinstalled that driver. Now comes up with proper devices listed in Device Manager.

But, still getting BSOD with "Bad_Pool_Header" message whenever I :

1) download one map OK but try loading another
2) try changing mode to DIRECT MODE or OFF from CM3.0

[MichaelCHProd]

What chipset is your USB host controller?

Are you using a USB hub?

[Bowman_61]

Originally posted by Revvin@Aug 30 2004, 10:17 AM
I can verify this one, after seeing this message I tried it on my newly upgraded system. I only re-installed Win XP with SP2 on friday and not had time to put much else on over the weekend so program wise I know there is not much that would interfere with Control Manager. This is what happens:

Run CM and download a few maps, it seems while CM is open you can download maps to your hearts content but if you close CM then open it then download one or two maps then close CM then open it once more and download a another map Windows crashes to a blue screen with 'BAD_POOL_HEADER' displayed in the top quarter of the screen.

I've tried this sequence once with antivirus running and without it makes no difference.
Your lucky; :)

It makes no difference whether or no I close CM between dowloads, it will still crash. :(

Bowman

[BLAZERBRUCE]

Bowman_61,

Do to an outbrake in Winblows XP SP2, service patches are in the works. It appears Micro*ucks even crashed there own software :rolleyes: Anyways, if this problem continues I would periodicly check for new updates. To put things into perspective, micrshi*ts partnership antivirus software wont work, 3rd party firewalls including ZoneAlarm :luv: and more then Microdumbas*'s have admited too :whip: You may find it easier to remove sp2 and wait a month for them to kinda maaaaaybe fix it, cough cough, I mean tie that webbing of mistakes together :lol:

-Bruce B)


Here is a link discussing the error if this will be of use to anyone BAD_POOL_HEADER (http://www.sanx.org/stopCode.asp?stopCodeRef=19)

[Ripster]

Well, I deinstalled XP SP2 to see if that helped and it sure didn't.

Now no matter what sequence of CHMgr install/deinstall (including using CHDelete) I always get a "No devices found" message when trying to calibrate or download maps.

Other debugging tidbits:

- Using a Dlink external hub but connection directly to computer's USB ports (Intel Chipset) doesn't change anything.

- Plugged into my other pc (XP with SP2 installed) and while the controllers are recognized I can only download once without getting a BSOD

- All the devices appear properly in Device Manager (HID game device, mouse, keyboard, control manager, etc...)

- doesn't matter what controller I plug in (throttle, fighterstick, or rudders) so I really doubt it's a hardware problem

- everything looks OK in Game Controllers, just not in CHMgr

I'm stumped big time and will go back to something brainless like Doom3 for a while.
:rant:

[Ripster]

Got bored with Doom so I went back and simply tried unplugging USB devices and plugging back in again. Somewhere along the line the right combination of USB ports seemed to do the trick. Now everything is back to normal.


When I have the guts again I'll try reloading SP2. On second thought, I'll let someone else go first.

:thumbsup:

[MichaelCHProd]

I just don't get it.

I have the SP 2 on three different machines at this point and I have had NO problems with any combination of controllers or the Control Manager.

This one really stumps me.

[Ripster]

OK, maybe we can't blame it on Microsoft and SP2.

I reloaded SP2 and this time only loaded a very simple map and it worked fine. Both my Lock On and IL2 maps seem to be corrupted. Built up a new IL2 map using the old CMC file and now it works fine. Not looking forward to rebuilding the LockOn file.

Michael, if you want I can send you the map/cmc/cms files.

[Bob Church]

I downloaded it, but all I get is the map and that loads into the GUI okay but I can't really try the download. Could you post the CMS and CMC files too?

Also, you might try just loading and saving the map. That sometimes clears problems, especially if there was a CM version change between when the map was created and when you downloaded it, downloading a v2.xx map with a v3.xx loader for example. Saving the map brings it up to the same revision as the CM you're using.

Thanks!

- Bob

The StickWorks
http://www.stickworks.com

[Ripster]

Thanks for checking this out. Here are other files:

[Ripster]

And CMC

[Bob Church]

Got 'em! Thanks! Offhand the seem to load fine, I havent really run them, but I did notice that you've got CMS Controls included and CMS buttons defined, but the CMS file itself is empty (except for the script and endscript statement). Did I get the right one?

Thansk!

- Bob

The StickWorks
http://www.stickworks.com

[Ripster]

Bob,

Try loading then changing to Direct mode or loading another script immediately and see if you get crash. I can also replicate on my other pc.

It's the right file. I had removed the script in an effort to debug.

In fact, through trial and error (removing script, then removing one device at a time) I found that redefining the hat in the Fighterstick to Direct from POV removed the "Bad Pool" error - very very wierd. In any case I'm back and running and don't think SP2 had anything to do with it, probably a corrupted MAP file.

I'm OK now - thanks for following the boards so closely. Look forward to your next release.

- BobT

[Bob Church]

Well, no joy here. I looked at the file itself and the only difference I see after a save is that the Axis Parameters (Gain, Sensitivity, etc.) for whatever axes I've looked at have been pulled out of the file but it's simply because they're set to default and the Control Manager doesn't save them unless they're non-default. Otherwise it looks identical, and I can't seem to make it crash.

Interesting about the POV, though. I hadn't heard anything like that before. Did you notice when you were doing it whether setting the POV back to normal brought the BAD_POOL_ERROR back?

Anyway, thanks for the info and the files. I'm still looking into it. If I can turn anything up, I'll post here and let everyone know.

Thanks again!

- Bob

The StickWorks
http://www.stickworks.com

[Ripster]

I can now confirm that SP2 wasn't the problem. It seems that my USB controller device settings in WinXP had been corrupted and the "USB Root Hub" never appeared in the Device Manager. This was with and without SP2 installed. The Control Manager obviously had a hard time writing/finding the controllers without the USB root hub.

Piece of advice. If you want to load SP2 you may want to consider just doing a fresh WinXP install (which I did). It's a good yearly maintenance kind of thing to do anyway.

- Ripster :flying:

[MichaelCHProd]

man that sucks. I have all of these nice ghost images of my XP installs and I do not want to have to re ghost at those steps AGAIN.

[Icer]

I had the Bad_Pool_Header right after applying SP2 also (Would download a profile fine but as soon as the "Download - OK" button appeared BAM! Bluescreen.. every time. It IS an SP2 problem and seems to be directly related to initializing USB Hubs or ports. In my case my ASUS P4C800 Deluxe has all rear USB ports enabled and two 4-Port USB hubs plugged in also. My CH Gear (3 USB plugs) and my MS Wheel (1 plug) both use a DLink DUB-H4 USB 2.0 Hub. The fix was simple and the problem became obvious when I tried it... As soon as I unplugged the DLink Hub from my mobo port I got a Bad_Pool_Header Blue screen! I shut the machine down, rebooted, and after all was up I plugged it back in. Went to CH Control Panel and no more problem!

HTH!

[Flyhii]

Think I'll just wait a tad longer before I jump off.

Y'all don't mind, do ya?

:D

[MichaelCHProd]

Control Manager 3.5 fixes the BAD_POOL_Microsoft error so hang in there. It was supposed to be up on Friday but the Webmaster gooned it. I will get on web guys to make it happen as 3.5 is done and ready for consumption.

[Icer]

Originally posted by MichaelCHProd@Sep 19 2004, 11:34 PM
Control Manager 3.5 fixes the BAD_POOL_Microsoft error so hang in there. It was supposed to be up on Friday but the Webmaster gooned it. I will get on web guys to make it happen as 3.5 is done and ready for consumption.
So it's a conflict with CM? I had it happen again, did the same thing (unplugged the USB Hub cable from the rear of my system), got a Blue-Screen Bad_Pool, restarted and after going into XP re-plugged it in. Was able to program download whatever I wanted after that... very strange!

Anyway, glad to hear CM 3.5 fixes it, look forward to the update!

:thumbsup:

[MichaelCHProd]

I now it fixes any issue with CM but I still think hubs are the Devils work and so do alot of SP2 users.... or at least they do now they have SP2 :)

[Ripster]

I just wanted to let folks know that CM 3.5 installed fine on my XP SP2 patched computer. Not exactly an earth shattering feature update but if it prevents my random BSOD "Bad Pool" errors I'll be happy.

- Ripster

[MichaelCHProd]

Most of the features are in the scripting :)

[stelr]

Originally posted by Ripster@Sep 8 2004, 07:05 PM
I can now confirm that SP2 wasn't the problem.Â* It seems that my USB controller device settings in WinXP had been corrupted and the "USB Root Hub" never appeared in the Device Manager.Â* This was with and without SP2 installed.Â* The Control Manager obviously had a hard time writing/findingÂ* the controllers without the USB root hub.

Piece of advice.Â* If you want to load SP2 you may want to consider just doing a fresh WinXP install (which I did).Â* It's a good yearly maintenance kind of thing to do anyway.

- Ripster :flying:
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Ripster,

I&#39;m having similar problems. Devices are recognized in Windows XP (Game Controllers; FS, PT, PP), but when I open the Control MGR 3.5 is shows No Active Devices! Nothing I do (and re-do) seems to change this. Everything worked fine until I started using 3.5. Now I&#39;m dead in the water.

How did you fix your WinXP corrupted files?

Can anyone tell me where I can get an older version of Control Manager (i.e. the one before 3.5 that I was using OK)?

Thanks in advance.

v/r
Stel

[MichaelCHProd]

Try unplugging your controllers and then run CHDelete. ReBoot and plug them in and hit the calibrate button in the Control Manager.

[stelr]

Originally posted by MichaelCHProd@Sep 25 2004, 12:35 AM
Try unplugging your controllers and then run CHDelete.Â* ReBoot and plug them in and hit the calibrate button in the Control Manager.
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Thanks for the quick response Mike!

I did the above and still No Active Devices in CM.

I checked Device Manager and under CH Products and it shows only 3 things:
CH Control Manager Aux1
CH Control Manager Aux2
CH Control Manager Root Device

Shouldn&#39;t it show the controllers, by type as well?

v/r
Stel

[II./JG1_Rudi]

stelr:

I&#39;ve got the same problem, and I&#39;ve already tried an earllier version of Control Manager...which didn&#39;t work. It seems that installing SP2 and then uninstalling it still changed something such that my lovely controllers no longer are programmable.

Michael and Bob are working on this issue (I think) and I&#39;m hopeful that they&#39;ll find a solution. I&#39;ve tried everything short of reinstalling Win XP, which I may resort to if there&#39;s no alternative. But I&#39;d really like to avoid that! I just reinstalled it 2-3 months ago...

[stelr]

Originally posted by II./JG1_Rudi@Sep 25 2004, 11:06 AM
stelr:

I&#39;ve got the same problem, and I&#39;ve already tried an earllier version of Control Manager...which didn&#39;t work. It seems that installing SP2 and then uninstalling it still changed something such that my lovely controllers no longer are programmable.

Michael and Bob are working on this issue (I think) and I&#39;m hopeful that they&#39;ll find a solution. I&#39;ve tried everything short of reinstalling Win XP, which I may resort to if there&#39;s no alternative. But I&#39;d really like to avois that! I just reinstalled it 2-3 months ago...
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Rgr Rudi. Guess we&#39;ll have to be patient. :unsure:

I sent Michael a file called setupapi.log that he requested. Any idea how long the fix may take? If nothing by next Friday, I may have to resort to re-installing XP. :blink:

Never had such problems with my Mac. :oops:

v/r
Stel

[RW-1]

Originally posted by MichaelCHProd@Sep 21 2004, 08:41 PM
I now it fixes any issue with CM but I still think hubs are the Devils work and so do alot of SP2 users.... or at least they do now they have SP2 :)
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Thru XP, XP with svc pck 1, svc pck 2 rc&#39;s 1-2, and retail version of svc pck 2, my hub hasn&#39;t had any issues...

Of course I&#39;m not running my CH stuff thru it either :huh:

[Flyhii]

Hi Guys!!

I&#39;ve just loaded XP SP2 on my box. I&#39;ve tried to recreate all the problems that y&#39;all seem to be having w/ no success. I do have CM 3.5 loaded up on my box AND am using a Belkin ExpressBus 4-port hub to run my CH USB hotas thru. It&#39;s all running smooth as glass on my box.

I was somewhat apprehensive about installing SP2 because of all the problems you guys were having, but it appears that I&#39;m OK, at least for now.


:)

[MichaelCHProd]

It&#39;s hit or miss with SP 2. The significant majority of end users don&#39;t have any problems with SP 2 and CM 3.5. But for the few that SP 2 does burn I have the fix so it&#39;s all good B)

[HardAdvice]

Originally posted by MichaelCHProd@Oct 12 2004, 01:00 PM
It&#39;s hit or miss with SP 2.Â* The significant majority of end users don&#39;t have any problems with SP 2 and CM 3.5.Â* But for the few that SP 2 does burn I have the fix so it&#39;s all goodÂ* B)
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I had problems with SP2. I don&#39;t anymore. Got rid of it. :roflmao:

[Krator]

Originally posted by stelr+Sep 25 2004, 04:32 AM-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Ripster@Sep 8 2004, 07:05 PM
I can now confirm that SP2 wasn&#39;t the problem.ÂÂ* It seems that my USB controller device settings in WinXP had been corrupted and the "USB Root Hub" never appeared in the Device Manager.ÂÂ* This was with and without SP2 installed.ÂÂ* The Control Manager obviously had a hard time writing/findingÂÂ* the controllers without the USB root hub.

Piece of advice.ÂÂ* If you want to load SP2 you may want to consider just doing a fresh WinXP install (which I did).ÂÂ* It&#39;s a good yearly maintenance kind of thing to do anyway.

- Ripster :flying:
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Ripster,

I&#39;m having similar problems. Devices are recognized in Windows XP (Game Controllers; FS, PT, PP), but when I open the Control MGR 3.5 is shows No Active Devices! Nothing I do (and re-do) seems to change this. Everything worked fine until I started using 3.5. Now I&#39;m dead in the water.

How did you fix your WinXP corrupted files?

Can anyone tell me where I can get an older version of Control Manager (i.e. the one before 3.5 that I was using OK)?

Thanks in advance.

v/r
Stel
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...well I guess I should have looked further to find out that I am not the only one who has had the dead in the water feeling with no active devices problem. So what IS the fix to this???


FYI: I was using SP2 and the older version of CM with no problems. It is only since I tried to update CM this is an issue. And I am not using a USB hub either if that becomes a question. Everything is plugged right into the back of my rig.

Thanks

[Bob Church]

Read the thread:

Pinned: Success!! CM "No Devices Found" Solved!!

At the top of this section (Software Help). Going back to an older version won&#39;t fix the problem.

- Bob

The StickWorks
http://www.stickworks.com

[Krator]

Ahhh very cool. I feel like an idiot. Don&#39;t know why I didn&#39;t see that the first time. Thanks so much Bob.